2019 PSLE Discussions and Strategies (Children born in 2007)
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phtthp\" post_id=\"1941383\" time=\"1571151513\" user_id=\"35251:
Hi 6thisnthat9,
I have to re-read to make sure this is not a trick question?? coming from a veteran of KSP6thisnthat9\" post_id=\"1941018\" time=\"1570964852\" user_id=\"145858:
[quote=phtthp post_id=1941009 time=1570960793 user_id=35251]anyone know,
this year ( 2019), Total how many thousands of P6 students sat for 2019 PSLE ?
Is it true that, based on past years' trend
Top 10% is above 265
Top 30% is above 250
Top 50% is above 230 ?
What I gathered so far,
262 or 263 is top 3-5%
252 or 253 is top 10%
230 is top 30-35%?
p6 ~ 39k?
You are correct
After asked one guru, guru said that assuming 280 is the highest Top Tscore in a psle batch, although now we do not know what is the Highest Tscore anymore since MOE forbid revealing (disclose) , computation wise, guru explained the basis of calculation, for Top 10 % of Psle cohort ...
Last year, from 2018 batch, born 2006, one P6 student scored 280, she entered St Nick (IP)
Info source (under IP category)
https://sis.moe.gov.sg/SchoolDetails.aspx?schoolCode=7118
a)
Assuming that 280 is the Highest Tscore, for last year (2018) batch.
(Note : assuming only, bec Moe forbid disclosure)
10 % from 280 Tscore, is
0.1 x 280 = 28 points
Take (280 - 28) = 252 points
Based on above basis of calculation, what do we end up with ?
we end up with 252, & 252 is indeed above 250.
That's why many people said that Top 10% of entire Psle cohort, with thousands of P6 students, is approximately > = 250 (and above).
b)
How about Top 3 percent of Psle cohort ?
it is computed as
0.03 x 280 = 8.4 points
Take (280 - 8.4 ) = 271.6
so, those who scored 271.6 and above, fall under Top 3 % of entire Psle cohort
c)
How about Top 5 % of Psle cohort ?
it is
0.05 x 280 = 14 points
Take (280 - 14) = 266
So, those scored 266 and above, belong to Top 5% of Psle cohort
( guru explained that from calculation, then can understand clearer / better)[/quote]Is there anyone scoring 280 (before adding HCL) for last year psle? I heard highest was only 27X. Since we do not know the actual highest tscore, every year we just assume a number?
Easier to go by MOE’s EESIS cut-off (top 3%) which was around 262 last year?
For top 10% last year was 252, I think? That’s the cut-off for taking French/German/Jap as 3rd Lang. Top 30% probably is the tscore of the last student eligible to take Malay, Indon etc as 3rd Lang. -
lee_yl\" post_id=\"1941387\" time=\"1571153243:
perhaps, that girl who entered St Nick (IP) scored 277 (+3 Distinction bonus points for Higher Chinese, since St Nick is a SAP school). She entered by Psle Tscore entry, not by Dsa
Is there anyone scoring 280 (before adding HCL) for last year psle? I heard highest was only 27X. Since we do not know the actual highest tscore, every year we just assume a number?6thisnthat9\" post_id=\"1941018\" time=\"1570964852\" user_id=\"145858:
I have to re-read to make sure this is not a trick question?? coming from a veteran of KSP
What I gathered so far,
262 or 263 is top 3-5%
252 or 253 Is top 10%
Easier to go by MOE’s EESIS cut-off (top 3%) which was around 262 last year?
For top 10% last year was 252, I think? That’s the cut-off for taking French/German/Japanese as 3rd Lang. Top 30% probably is the tscore of the last student eligible to take Malay, Indon etc as 3rd Lang.
Answer
We will never know if any 2018 P6 candidate scored above 280, because even if there is one or more, DSA students' Tscore are Not reflected inside that Moe Secondary 1 booklet. -
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phtthp\" post_id=\"1941383\" time=\"1571151513\" user_id=\"35251:
Just a note that it is not compulsory for each local sec 1 to study in a secondary school that is listed in SIS. A local sec 1 can opt to homeschool, go overseas, or go to the International Schools.
We all know that it is compulsory, for every local Sec 1 student to study in a Secondary school. And this website contained info for All Secondary schools in Singapore, providing info concerning the lowest (minimum) Cut-off point, and the highest Tscore, PER Secondary school. Thus from here, one can track (monitor), which school has the HIGHEST Tscore. -
lee_yl\" post_id=\"1941387\" time=\"1571153243\" user_id=\"17023:
Is there anyone scoring 280 (before adding HCL) for last year psle? I heard highest was only 27X. Since we do not know the actual highest tscore, every year we just assume a number?
Hi 6thisnthat9,phtthp\" post_id=\"1941383\" time=\"1571151513\" user_id=\"35251:
[quote=6thisnthat9 post_id=1941018 time=1570964852 user_id=145858]
I have to re-read to make sure this is not a trick question?? coming from a veteran of KSP
What I gathered so far,
262 or 263 is top 3-5%
252 or 253 is top 10%
230 is top 30-35%?
p6 ~ 39k?
You are correct
After asked one guru, guru said that assuming 280 is the highest Top Tscore in a psle batch, although now we do not know what is the Highest Tscore anymore since MOE forbid revealing (disclose) , computation wise, guru explained the basis of calculation, for Top 10 % of Psle cohort ...
Last year, from 2018 batch, born 2006, one P6 student scored 280, she entered St Nick (IP)
Info source (under IP category)
https://sis.moe.gov.sg/SchoolDetails.aspx?schoolCode=7118
a)
Assuming that 280 is the Highest Tscore, for last year (2018) batch.
(Note : assuming only, bec Moe forbid disclosure)
10 % from 280 Tscore, is
0.1 x 280 = 28 points
Take (280 - 28) = 252 points
Based on above basis of calculation, what do we end up with ?
we end up with 252, & 252 is indeed above 250.
That's why many people said that Top 10% of entire Psle cohort, with thousands of P6 students, is approximately > = 250 (and above).
b)
How about Top 3 percent of Psle cohort ?
it is computed as
0.03 x 280 = 8.4 points
Take (280 - 8.4 ) = 271.6
so, those who scored 271.6 and above, fall under Top 3 % of entire Psle cohort
c)
How about Top 5 % of Psle cohort ?
it is
0.05 x 280 = 14 points
Take (280 - 14) = 266
So, those scored 266 and above, belong to Top 5% of Psle cohort
( guru explained that from calculation, then can understand clearer / better)
Easier to go by MOE’s EESIS cut-off (top 3%) which was around 262 last year?
For top 10% last year was 252, I think? That’s the cut-off for taking French/German/Jap as 3rd Lang. Top 30% probably is the tscore of the last student eligible to take Malay, Indon etc as 3rd Lang.[/quote]Based on MOE's website, EESIS has been replaced by ESIS.
On eligibility for ESIS, the top 1/3 of those admitted to Independent Schools (which we know the COP is around 252) should be more than 1/3 of the top 10% who are eligible for the Integrated Programme. There are 8 independent schools of which half offering full IP. To compute this, we need to know total number of places under IP in these IS.
Hence, population scoring 262 or above should be between 3% to 10% of those P6 taking PSLE.
Just noticed something new to me, different from what I previously gathered. Eligibility by default for higher Chinese is top 10%? Is this new? (Edited. Missed out point 2, at least a merit in higher chinese of the top 30% ). -
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MerlionInGermany\" post_id=\"1941393\" time=\"1571177205\" user_id=\"2964:
Hi MerlionGermany,
Just a note that it is not compulsory for each local sec 1 to study in a secondary school that is listed in SIS. A local sec 1 can opt to homeschool, go overseas, or go to the International Schools.phtthp\" post_id=\"1941383\" time=\"1571151513\" user_id=\"35251:
We all know that it is compulsory, for every local Sec 1 student to study in a Secondary school. And this website contained info for All Secondary schools in Singapore, providing info concerning the lowest (minimum) Cut-off point, and the highest Tscore, PER Secondary school. Thus from here, one can track (monitor), which school has the HIGHEST Tscore.
would like to find out more -
can enlighten all of us here, under what circumstances, would a local 12 year old student at such a young tender age choose the following, over studying in a local Secondary school ?
(1) opt for home school,
What is the % of our local Secondary Singaporean students doing this, opt for home school ?
Home school, this terminology, ever came across, for kindergarten kids aged 5 or 6 years old, as well for certain primary school children aged 7 to 12 yo, but for Secondary school student aged 13 to 18 yo, so big, got home school meh?
During adolescence (puberty teenage) age, from 13 to 18 yo, don't these students need to learn how to develop socially, by interacting with other same-age-peer-group, no need to learn develop socially by taking up a CCA ? If home-school, who interact with them, at home ?
perhaps, handicapped or disabled children, not convenient to move around in wheel-chair in school compound, may need home-school.
Bu,t if home-school, means one parent need to be dedicated all day long, stay at home, educate the child from 13 to 16 or 18 yo, so long, so many years. Means this parent cannot go outside to work, earn $ income for the family. What if the family is poor, both parents need to work, so as to put food on the table to feed the whole family (makan), then how ? still can afford, to home-school ? of course not
But if their children are fine, nothing wrong with them, healthy, no physical handicap whatsoever, won't parents naturally prefer to let them study in Secondary school ?
Won't parents prefer their children to grow up all rounded - socially through interaction with fellow class-mates, school-mates, emotionally, physcially through Sports PE lessons, through joining some CCA ?
won't parents prefer that their kids to attend school, since their kid nothing wrong, no handicap, win some award from MOE ?
list of award available, from MOE
https://www.moe.gov.sg/education/edusave/edusave-scholarships-for-independent-schools-%28esis%29
(2) go overseas, at such a young tender age at 12 yo ?
Parents not worried that their precious child, is all alone in a foreign land overseas, all by himself (herself) ?
Huh, the child so young only 12 yo, already know how to be independent?
What is the percentage of local students doing this : go overseas ?
(3) go to an International school, with expensive school fees sponsored by rich papa-and-mama ?
If a student come from disadvantaged, poor family background wish to study International school, how to ?
What is the %tage of local students, studying in International Secondary schools ? -
phtthp\" post_id=\"1941397\" time=\"1571183633\" user_id=\"35251:
Hi MerlionGermany,
Just a note that it is not compulsory for each local sec 1 to study in a secondary school that is listed in SIS. A local sec 1 can opt to homeschool, go overseas, or go to the International Schools.MerlionInGermany\" post_id=\"1941393\" time=\"1571177205\" user_id=\"2964:
[quote=phtthp post_id=1941383 time=1571151513 user_id=35251]We all know that it is compulsory, for every local Sec 1 student to study in a Secondary school. And this website contained info for All Secondary schools in Singapore, providing info concerning the lowest (minimum) Cut-off point, and the highest Tscore, PER Secondary school. Thus from here, one can track (monitor), which school has the HIGHEST Tscore.
would like to find out more -
can enlighten all of us here, under what circumstances, would a local 12 year old student at such a young tender age choose the following, over studying in a local Secondary school ?
(1) opt for home school,
What is the % of our local Secondary Singaporean students doing this, opt for home school ?
Home school, this terminology, ever came across, for kindergarten kids aged 5 or 6 years old, as well for certain primary school children aged 7 to 12 yo, but for Secondary school student aged 13 to 18 yo, so big, got home school meh?
During adolescence (puberty teenage) age, from 13 to 18 yo, don't these students need to learn how to develop socially, by interacting with other same-age-peer-group, no need to learn develop socially by taking up a CCA ? If home-school, who interact with them, at home ?
(2) go overseas, at such a young tender age at 12 yo ? Parents not worried that their precious child, is all alone in a foreign land overseas, all by himself (herself) ?
Huh, the child so young only 12 yo, already know how to be independent?
What is the percentage of local students doing this : go overseas ?
(3) go to an International school, with expensive school fees sponsored by rich papa-and-mama ?
If a student come from disadvantaged, poor family background wish to study International school, how to ?
What is the %tage of local students, studying in International Secondary schools ?[/quote]I don't think these statistics are readily available although MOE probably has some idea. The numbers are probably extremely small, but some families do choose these routes. I personally know families who choose to homeschool all the way, but the kids take PSLE because that is the rule under the compusory education law (limited to Pr school). I don't know if their scores are captured in the various statistics even if they don't take part in the S1 posting exercise. I also know families who send their kids to boarding schools overseas, some even before sec school. And I also know families who have their kids in international schools in Singapore. Boarding school and international school options are expensive, of course, and beyond the reach of low income families. Even homeschool is \"expensive\" in the sense that usually a parent will have to stay home to homeschool, or the child will have to attend a homeschool cooperative (which have fees higher than Singapore schools). -
And MerlionGermany,
First of all, I wish to point out that
nowhere in my original message posted, did i ever mention this phrase, "that is added in SIS". If u not sure, please go back and read the original message, word by word, again. Is all up there, can check
Who is the one, that started to introduce these phrase, "that is added in SIS" ?
Is you yourself, started adding the phrase.
Why ?
because you happen to jump to conclusions, yourself. But what u choose to interpret, has got nothing to do with my original intended, written message. Besides, nobody have control over what you choose to interpret
To clarify, my status -
What was my intention, of mentioning the MOE website, to all of you here, that contained the lowest Cut-off-point, to the highest Tscore, PER Secondary school ?
Purpose is
to let people know that -
actually, there is still another way to find out (ie. Through the " Moe choosing schools Sec 1 Information booklet" , What is the highest Tscore, for those who entered by PSLE Tscore, since now Moe forbid disclosure.
At least getting half a piece of info, from those who chose to enter by PSLE Tscore entry, although we don’t have the complete info, since the other half is entry from the DSA students’ side, missing info, but half-info is still better than totally nothing (zero info)
And Not
according, to what u yourself had interpreted.
Are you even aware that, there is a big huge difference, between these 2 statements -
a) my original statement, posted
"We all know that it is compulsory, for every local Sec 1 student to study in a Secondary school."
vs.
b) your own statement, interpreted by yourself, conclusion drawn by yourself
"We all know that it is compulsory, for every local Sec 1 student to study in a Secondary school, that is added in SIS"
And MerlionGermany,
by the way, i had also noticed a pattern in you.
I noticed that this is not the first time, you tried to "ge kiang" in Hokkien (in English, means "act like a smart Alec") on the messages that I posted into this forum. For some past messages, u did the same, but i chose to keep quiet (silent) back then, because i don’t like to kick up a fuss in this forum. And because it already happened more than once, that’s why i decided to let you know, what i had noticed.
What is it, that i had noticed about you ? You are very quick, in trying to correct things that i said, in this forum. You act very quickly, on the spot -
phtthp\" post_id=\"1941397\" time=\"1571183633\" user_id=\"35251:
Hi MerlionGermany,
Just a note that it is not compulsory for each local sec 1 to study in a secondary school that is listed in SIS. A local sec 1 can opt to homeschool, go overseas, or go to the International Schools.MerlionInGermany\" post_id=\"1941393\" time=\"1571177205\" user_id=\"2964:
[quote=phtthp post_id=1941383 time=1571151513 user_id=35251]We all know that it is compulsory, for every local Sec 1 student to study in a Secondary school. And this website contained info for All Secondary schools in Singapore, providing info concerning the lowest (minimum) Cut-off point, and the highest Tscore, PER Secondary school. Thus from here, one can track (monitor), which school has the HIGHEST Tscore.
would like to find out more -
can enlighten all of us here, under what circumstances, would a local 12 year old student at such a young tender age choose the following, over studying in a local Secondary school ?
(1) opt for home school,
What is the % of our local Secondary Singaporean students doing this, opt for home school ?
Home school, this terminology, ever came across, for kindergarten kids aged 5 or 6 years old, as well for certain primary school children aged 7 to 12 yo, but for Secondary school student aged 13 to 18 yo, so big, got home school meh?
During adolescence (puberty teenage) age, from 13 to 18 yo, don't these students need to learn how to develop socially, by interacting with other same-age-peer-group, no need to learn develop socially by taking up a CCA ? If home-school, who interact with them, at home ?
(2) go overseas, at such a young tender age at 12 yo ? Parents not worried that their precious child, is all alone in a foreign land overseas, all by himself (herself) ?
Huh, the child so young only 12 yo, already know how to be independent?
What is the percentage of local students doing this : go overseas ?
(3) go to an International school, with expensive school fees sponsored by rich papa-and-mama ?
If a student come from disadvantaged, poor family background wish to study International school, how to ?
What is the %tage of local students, studying in International Secondary schools ?[/quote]I agree, these numbers are too small to be significant in the estimation that every parent member is trying to make here.
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