2019 PSLE Discussions and Strategies (Children born in 2007)

[sky minecrafter]

MyPillow:

... also wonder study in Intl Spore Sch :acs int, Sji Int, HC int - still need tuition or not ? if not need tuitiion - the fees of $2k plus may be manageable to some families

Yes MP, some could still need; cos the issue may just lie in the Attitude towards work in general...

phtthp:

... have a friend whose kid P6 this year, faced learning difficulty, from a rich family... This child had been failing all 4 subjects, since P1 to P6, in all (SA1, SA2) exam... is it better to
- homeschool him, or
- send child to a \"ACS / HCI / SJI\" International School, for secondary education ?

phtthp, don't worry for them... They'd have their considerations, 'd have already approached some institutions, & gotten a tentative place, even before Psle...

In any case, some frens with special-needs-kids still hope to put them in a post-Psle school (here/overseas), like slmkhoo's sharing...

[doodbug]

SJI is trying very hard to ‘up the standards’. I heard there was a huge uproar among old boys and parents when they moved to up the PSLE affiliation COP to 238, resulting in fewer than 50 boys or what being able to move from SJIJ to SJI Independent. There was a real concern that the sense of attachment to the school and school spirit may weaken if there are so few boys receiving the ten year SJI education.


I did attend the SJI Independent Open House though I don’t have any children there.

[sharonkhoo]

sky minecrafter\" post_id=\"1941470\" time=\"1571198204\" user_id=\"130531:[quote=\"sky minecrafter\" post_id=1941470 time=1571198204 user_id=130531]
In any case, some frens with special-needs-kids still hope to put them in a proper post-Psle school (here/overseas), like slmkhoo's sharing...[/quote]

Sorry to be picky about terminology, but let's not use \"proper\" (for non-special needs) and \"not proper\" (for special needs). I'm sure you don't mean to disparage the \"not proper\" schools, but maybe the terminology can be adjusted? Maybe mainstream/regular vs special needs? I have a special needs daughter in mainstream education, so perhaps am a little more sensitive about this.

[sky minecrafter]

（≧ｙ≦＊）ok, I've edited the post slmkhoo. I was getting my kid to eat her meals properly & include carbohydrates, hence the word \"proper\". Haha.

[sharonkhoo]

sky minecrafter\" post_id=\"1941482\" time=\"1571200097\" user_id=\"130531:[quote=\"sky minecrafter\" post_id=1941482 time=1571200097 user_id=130531]
（≧ｙ≦＊）ok, I've edited the post slmkhoo. I was getting my kid to eat her meals properly & include carbohydrates, hence the word \"proper\". Haha.[/quote]

Completely understood! Thanks!

You mean she doesn't like carbs? I thought most kids do - mine do, and we've been trying to cut back!

[6thisnthat9]

MerlionInGermany\" post_id=\"1941425\" time=\"1571191239\" user_id=\"2964:

I only wanted to point out that sec school education is not compulsory. Therefore, not every local sec 1 student must study in the sec school found in MOE SIS. I added this “moe sis”

So it is possible that a person who did PSLE and had a higher score than 280, and did not appear in MOE SIS. in exactly the same way it was mentioned, one very known possibility is DSA.

So besides the score of DSA kids who did not appear in MOE SIS, there is also a few groups whose score will not appear. These groups are homeschool children, those who go overseas, and those who go to international school.

Homeschool children, I cannot give stats and no source, but my friend’s 2 kids are not attending sec school. They are supposed to be sec 2 and sec 3 this year. It is possible to do it because sec school is not compulsory, therefore there is no need to take part in s1 posting if you dont want to, just dont submit the form. No need to inform any ministry also.

For overseas, my kid’s 4 ex classmates are now overseas, 3 in boarding schools, and 1 staying with relatives. I am not sure if they asked for it or were told to go. Except for one, who had been asking since pri 3, cos her sister went after her sister’s PSLE.

For international schools, even more. So many of them are in SJI international and HC international. One is in ACS international. Another friend just told me yesterday, that his son who just did PSLE 2019, will be joining SJI International, wont be taking part in S1 posting and whose score will not be captured.

My purpose was to point out that not every PSLE score is captured, besides DSA that had been mentioned, there is also these 3 groups.


:lovesite:

thanks for sharing I love this forum too, can learn a lot. I always thought we have the ideal 10 years too.

https://postimg.cc/xc30bvWT

However, the original discussion was about some magic t-scores numbers ....;p

ESIS was based on those who used their PSLE t-scores for admission, so DSA are not meant to be included.

Assuming we include the 3 groups you have mentioned, from top end to bottom, then it would not affect the computation of the population anyway, unless you are saying they represent a specific end of the population e.g. top end.

On a side note, the \"guru's\" estimation is based on the assumption that the top 10% are uniformly distributed from top score to top 10% score. Doesn't sound believable. Is this just for top 10%? the estimation does not work for top 30% ~ 184 t-score. Definitely not the same distribution for other part of the population.

thanks for sharing

[MerlionInGermany]

doodbug\" post_id=\"1941452\" time=\"1571196372\" user_id=\"13281:

There are families who choose international school over local schools as they prefer the IB syllabus over the MOE syllabus (and they can afford it).

Just a note, you can also do GCSE in the international schools here if you dont want to do IB.

[Zappy]

6thisnthat9\" post_id=\"1941495\" time=\"1571203733\" user_id=\"145858:

On a side note, the \"guru's\" estimation is based on the assumption that the top 10% are uniformly distributed from top score to top 10% score. Doesn't sound believable. Is this just for top 10%? the estimation does not work for top 30% ~ 184 t-score. Definitely not the same distribution for other part of the population.

Yep, you're right; that's not how standard deviations work...
There's some discussion on this estimation here also previously
https://www.kiasuparents.com/kiasu/forum/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=28934&start=110

And yes, that previous estimation falls way apart when the top 50% is considered, for example.
Definitely the top 50% of the cohort not = 140 T-score (280 * 0.5).
Maybe close enough if you only consider the top few % and if there is a linear uniform corelation.

[MerlionInGermany]

6thisnthat9\" post_id=\"1941495\" time=\"1571203733\" user_id=\"145858:

MerlionInGermany\" post_id=\"1941425\" time=\"1571191239\" user_id=\"2964:

I only wanted to point out that sec school education is not compulsory. Therefore, not every local sec 1 student must study in the sec school found in MOE SIS. I added this “moe sis”

So it is possible that a person who did PSLE and had a higher score than 280, and did not appear in MOE SIS. in exactly the same way it was mentioned, one very known possibility is DSA.

So besides the score of DSA kids who did not appear in MOE SIS, there is also a few groups whose score will not appear. These groups are homeschool children, those who go overseas, and those who go to international school.

Homeschool children, I cannot give stats and no source, but my friend’s 2 kids are not attending sec school. They are supposed to be sec 2 and sec 3 this year. It is possible to do it because sec school is not compulsory, therefore there is no need to take part in s1 posting if you dont want to, just dont submit the form. No need to inform any ministry also.

For overseas, my kid’s 4 ex classmates are now overseas, 3 in boarding schools, and 1 staying with relatives. I am not sure if they asked for it or were told to go. Except for one, who had been asking since pri 3, cos her sister went after her sister’s PSLE.

For international schools, even more. So many of them are in SJI international and HC international. One is in ACS international. Another friend just told me yesterday, that his son who just did PSLE 2019, will be joining SJI International, wont be taking part in S1 posting and whose score will not be captured.

My purpose was to point out that not every PSLE score is captured, besides DSA that had been mentioned, there is also these 3 groups.


:lovesite:

thanks for sharing I love this forum too, can learn a lot. I always thought we have the ideal 10 years too.

https://postimg.cc/xc30bvWT

However, the original discussion was about some magic t-scores numbers ....;p

ESIS was based on those who used their PSLE t-scores for admission, so DSA are not meant to be included.

Assuming we include the 3 groups you have mentioned, from top end to bottom, then it would not affect the computation of the population anyway, unless you are saying they represent a specific end of the population e.g. top end.

On a side note, the \"guru's\" estimation is based on the assumption that the top 10% are uniformly distributed from top score to top 10% score. Doesn't sound believable. Is this just for top 10%? the estimation does not work for top 30% ~ 184 t-score. Definitely not the same distribution for other part of the population.

thanks for sharing

I didnt have any comment on distribution of the t score with regards to that post. I merely wanted to point out that it is not compulsory for local sec 1 students to study in the local moe schools. To right a wrong assumption. In case families think it is the end of the world if cannot make it to local moe schools.

[phtthp]

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phtthp\" post_id=\"1941454\" time=\"1571196454\" user_id=\"35251:

[quote=\"sky minecrafter\" post_id=1941434 time=1571193525 user_id=130531]Same as MIG, we also know several Singaporean families who send their (TScores ranging from 19+ to 23+) kids to local international schools...

hi sky,

have a friend whose kid P6 this year, faced learning difficulty, from a rich family.

This child had been failing all 4 subjects, since P1 to P6, in all (SA1, SA2) exam.
Although child faced learning difficulty, but MOE did not grant him exemption (Chinese).
So, he still took Standard Chinese PSLE paper (1 and 2) recently, on Monday (30 Sep 2019)
Ever advised parent to let child take Foundation Chinese, instead of Standard Chinese.
However, parent initially did consider, but in the end, dropped the idea.

6 years ago, back then in 2014 Primary 1, this child could have joined a local Primary school, dedicated to handle education for special need kids. (won't mention the name of the primary school, here)

i told parents that that good local special-need primary school, would benefit child, long term wise.
However, because this parent is a very senior key personnel working in a highly visible, high-powered organization, because of \"face\" issue, parent insisted that child go study in a GEP primary school, because parent is an alumni from a coveted GEP school, so enrolled child into GEP primary school.
Based on recent August 2019 P6 Prelim, child also failed all 4 subjects. Each subject, scored way below 50 / 100

parent think likely this child will fail 2019 PSLE.
As a result, parent think that likely, child be channelled into a \"local Secondary school, dedicated for students who failed PSLE\", via MOE S1 posting results.

However, parent don't want child to go into this local Secondary school, because of \"face\" issue.
Parents don't want relatives nor office colleagues, to know that child going to be posted there.
Due to learning difficulty, child not independent, the parents won't send child to overseas boarding school

question

from above sharing, since this child's rich parents can afford, is it better to

- homeschool him, or

- send child to a \"ACS / HCI / SJI\" International School, for secondary education ?


($ is not any issue to them, because parents are rich businessmen )[/quote]

This is very interesting. Most primary schools will insist the child sit Foundation subjects if they failed P5. But I guess the parent had big enough influence to override the school...

If fail PSLE two times, can apply to Northlight School (MOE does not post kids there, u apply yourself). If fail PSLE one time, can apply also but less priority I think.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northlight_School

But if parent wants face and super rich, then sure go international school lor.
I don’t think international schools care what PSLE grades u get.[/quote]actually, the ultimate underlying objective of this parent for the child, is to gain EXEMPTION from Mother tongue (Chinese). Totally drop this entire whole Chinese subject, so that no need to spend any more time study Chinese, can just focus only on the remaining 3 subjects.

However, once MOE did Not approve of the kid's exemption (Chinese), to this parent, it doesn't make any difference anymore, because even if were to take Foundation Chinese, parent said child still need to spend time study Chinese.

Another reason is
parent fear if child once start taking a Foundation subject, child will end up in Normal stream (Secondary school).
How far this is true about ending up in Normal stream, not sure.
That's why after some consideration, parent decided to drop the idea of do Foundation Chinese
One parent is a Chinese, the other parent is a Non-Chinese

anyway, to me, in my opinion, i feel that the parents had made a serious mistake.
Had the child gone to the special-need school, where got specialized trained skilled Teachers to teach the child in a small classroom setting, instead of 40 pupils in a Mainstream primary school, the child (with learning issue) would have benefited much more, long term wise.

Moreover, if child had gone to that special-need school since Primary 1, in that school, all children need study only 3 subjects, because Chinese is automatically exempted over there.