2019 PSLE Discussions and Strategies (Children born in 2007)

[aloralora]

Agreed. A year with tougher papers would allow the brightest stars to shine more than the rest. Isn’t it true that this year there are more kids > 270?


Similarly if a child is particularly strong in chinese amidst a general cohort that isn’t so strong, I believe that boosts the t-score quite a bit too! Received some stats of top scorers in mostly chinese primary schools, their schools have done well this year. Numbers went up significantly.

Imp75\" post_id=\"1950159\" time=\"1574901162\" user_id=\"2358:

Conversely I think for tough year, the brilliant ones will be differentiated from the pack due to perceived lower cohort mean and therefore higher t-score for those who can tackle those difficult qns.

Anyway I was hoping nygh cop stays the same as a gal that I know is hoping very hard to be able to get in.

[sharonkhoo]

floppy\" post_id=\"1950185\" time=\"1574905214\" user_id=\"97579:

lee_yl\" post_id=\"1950171\" time=\"1574903887\" user_id=\"17023:

[quote=6thisnthat9 post_id=1950164 time=1574902590 user_id=145858]What does this mean to understand kids who score 265 last yr, compare with kids who score 265 this year?
Or actually they are not apple to apple comparison?

Tscore can only be compared within the respective cohort. It should not be used to compare across different cohorts.

In 2017 there were many whose tscore were in the 280s with top scorer at 285 or 286. It does not mean that the 2017 cohort is brighter but more likely the papers were more difficult than 2019’s paper.

It’s like comparing Fuji with Royal Gala with Red Delicious[/quote]To compare across different cohorts, percentile ranking would be more appropriate.

[6thisnthat9]

slmkhoo\" post_id=\"1950190\" time=\"1574905469\" user_id=\"28674:

floppy\" post_id=\"1950185\" time=\"1574905214\" user_id=\"97579:

[quote=lee_yl post_id=1950171 time=1574903887 user_id=17023]

Tscore can only be compared within the respective cohort. It should not be used to compare across different cohorts.

In 2017 there were many whose tscore were in the 280s with top scorer at 285 or 286. It does not mean that the 2017 cohort is brighter but more likely the papers were more difficult than 2019’s paper.

It’s like comparing Fuji with Royal Gala with Red Delicious

To compare across different cohorts, percentile ranking would be more appropriate.[/quote]Original post by Imp75 was talking about a tougher year etc and other posts too right?
Brighter kids are more differentiated from the rest etc.
I m asking if kids who scored the top range, ard 265 this year, can we say that these kids are more differentiated brighter kids?

[Nebbermind]

6thisnthat9\" post_id=\"1950195\" time=\"1574905887\" user_id=\"145858:

Original post by Imp75 was talking about a tougher year etc and other posts too right?
Brighter kids are more differentiated from the rest etc.
I m asking if kids who scored the top range, ard 265 this year, can we say that these kids are more differentiated brighter kids?

I guess the stakeholders would like to assume that

[6thisnthat9]

Nebbermind\" post_id=\"1950198\" time=\"1574906063\" user_id=\"15571:

6thisnthat9\" post_id=\"1950195\" time=\"1574905887\" user_id=\"145858:

Original post by Imp75 was talking about a tougher year etc and other posts too right?
Brighter kids are more differentiated from the rest etc.
I m asking if kids who scored the top range, ard 265 this year, can we say that these kids are more differentiated brighter kids?

I guess the stakeholders would like to assume that

Precisely the feeling i get from their parents

[Timmy21]

6thisnthat9\" post_id=\"1950166\" time=\"1574903165\" user_id=\"145858:

cutepandabear\" post_id=\"1950142\" time=\"1574876896\" user_id=\"150031:

[quote=peasants post_id=1950128 time=1574866942 user_id=75885]
Another weeks of waiting! Then follow by appeal for some. Last year quite drama due to unexpected fall and rise of COP. Hope this year is more predictable.

Actually, why was there a fall in the top schools' COP last year? Was it related to an overall drop in performance for the 2018 cohort? Or did a lot of top students already DSA into the school?

My friend asked me to predict COP for this year. I wildly speculated said it would go up for the top tier schools mainly because I think these schools were even more stingy with DSA CO this year. So most people will enter by t-score into top schools. But I think the mid-tier schools COP would hold steady at last year's COP cos they continued to be more generous with DSA offers. And this started since last year, when they gave out close to the maximum allowed 20% of their Sec 1 places to DSA students.

I actually think the 2019 cohort generally didn't do as well. It stems from the tone MOE sets and therefore schools are not pushing children to chase every last mark anymore. Don't hear of that many super high scorers. But a lot of children bunched around the 23x-25x range. So I think the bell curve isn't very flat.

Just random thoughts on a sleepless night.

If the sec 1 posting were to be done based on the algorithm of best results go to schs with higher past cop, then if top tiers cop are to raise, the mid tiers cop are to raise as well, by virtue of filling up places by order. Provided the DSA places out of total places are on par among the schools.

If there were substantial kids appealed successfully to higher cop schs last year, the cop of mid tiers are artificially fixed higher than they shld.
Hopefully the situation will go back to natural this yr.[/quote]Appeals only allowed if the student fulfilled the COP. Dun think the appeals changed the COP statistics.

[6thisnthat9]

Timmy21\" post_id=\"1950210\" time=\"1574907008\" user_id=\"122721:

6thisnthat9\" post_id=\"1950166\" time=\"1574903165\" user_id=\"145858:

[quote=cutepandabear post_id=1950142 time=1574876896 user_id=150031]

Actually, why was there a fall in the top schools' COP last year? Was it related to an overall drop in performance for the 2018 cohort? Or did a lot of top students already DSA into the school?

My friend asked me to predict COP for this year. I wildly speculated said it would go up for the top tier schools mainly because I think these schools were even more stingy with DSA CO this year. So most people will enter by t-score into top schools. But I think the mid-tier schools COP would hold steady at last year's COP cos they continued to be more generous with DSA offers. And this started since last year, when they gave out close to the maximum allowed 20% of their Sec 1 places to DSA students.

I actually think the 2019 cohort generally didn't do as well. It stems from the tone MOE sets and therefore schools are not pushing children to chase every last mark anymore. Don't hear of that many super high scorers. But a lot of children bunched around the 23x-25x range. So I think the bell curve isn't very flat.

Just random thoughts on a sleepless night.

If the sec 1 posting were to be done based on the algorithm of best results go to schs with higher past cop, then if top tiers cop are to raise, the mid tiers cop are to raise as well, by virtue of filling up places by order. Provided the DSA places out of total places are on par among the schools.

If there were substantial kids appealed successfully to higher cop schs last year, the cop of mid tiers are artificially fixed higher than they shld.
Hopefully the situation will go back to natural this yr.

Appeals only allowed if the student fulfilled the COP. Dun think the appeals changed the COP statistics.[/quote]Yes, we are talking about those with higher tscore e.g 259, 260 but didnt put the top schs as first choice. If there are substantial numbers, cop only known after posting exercise, these kids who appealed successfully will not be captured, hence the cop of their first choice schs mid tier will be higher than it should. Hence mid tier schools and below got affected by this unnatural outcome.
However, yes last year the increase of DSA % also accounts for the outcome.

[zac's mum]

6thisnthat9\" post_id=\"1950195\" time=\"1574905887\" user_id=\"145858:

I m asking if kids who scored the top range, ard 265 this year, can we say that these kids are more differentiated brighter kids?

More accurate to say that these kids are “brilliant at performing in exams” kind.

[charles2015]

Hi, wish to what is the estimated cut-off pints for RGS this year ?


Due to the new campus and more high scorers this year, will cut off point be much higher this year?

[phtthp]

charles2015\" post_id=\"1950227\" time=\"1574911203\" user_id=\"132828:

Hi, wish to what is the estimated cut-off pints for RGS this year ?

Due to the new campus and more high scorers this year, will cut off point be much higher this year?

RGS, although shifted into brand new Braddell site campus, however, because 2020 Sec 1 enrolment remains unchanged, same as this year beginning 2020 Sec 1 intake,
even if were to rise, maybe rise at most (1 to 3 points)

Moreover, this year, RGS is very \"stingy\" with issuing number of DSA seats, for Academic domain like (Math, Science, English). RGS is prudent (cautious), in issuing COs. Although several good P6 students have applied for 2019 DSA, still, RGS is selective, in \"sieving\" out those she really want. But, being \"stingy\" in a way also good, because this means that more seats are left behind for students instead of being \"choped\" by DSA pupils, to enter via Tscore


warmest Congratulations to your daughter, 273. She has done very well
Hug her, and give her a Big round of applause
Above all, praise her !
Don't worry, she should have no problem entering RGS
Continue to encourage your girl to Keep up with her excellent work, ahead !
However, her Higher Chinese bonus (merit, +2 points), RGS (Non-SAP) school will ignore.

RGS, past 3 years COP

2018 PSLE batch : 259
2017 : 260
2016 : 261