Corona Virus Disease (COVID-19) Updates
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The family members of the 3rd Covid-19 deceased are still wondering who/where the deceased caught the Covid virus from. I supposed MOH (especially SPF!) contact tracing team got to buck up to provide the required answers to bring closure for the family. RIP
Till date how many unlinked cases are there? 77 out of 800+? Out of the 77 unlinked cases, what is the possibility that some of them could have caught it from OBJECT to human transmission, such as lift buttons, escalator handrails or public toilets, rather than human to human transmission? :idea:
Which is why SPF couldn’t trace the links to date? -
Mdm Ho Ching wrote the following on her Facebook 12 hours ago:
Don’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good.
Agree that we should keep the surgical as well as N95 masks for our healthcare workers as the top priority, since they face patients every day. Not just covid patients, but also other patients, who need to be protected too.
But we shouldn’t try to demonise the wearing of masks just to preserve the masks for the healthcare workers (HCWs).
Instead, we should be open to the idea of improvising masks for use among the public.
We shouldn’t laugh and snigger at people trying all sorts of protective barriers.
They can be just a plastic shield, or a plastic “curtain” from a hat, a chic designer mask, a simple folded handkerchief, perhaps with a cotton layer in between, a lovingly home sewn mask by grandma or mother.
Whatever we wish to improvise, we should not be made to feel silly or unfashionable.
A full face shield forms a barrier for the eyes, nose and mouth too.
A mask or face shield is no substitute for hand hygiene.
So do wash our hands regularly.
True, a mask or face shield may give a false sense of security and safety. That may lead people to forget the importance of washing hands and safe distancing.
But knowing Singaporeans, the vast majority are conscientious, thoughtful, and disciplined.
Yes, it’s hard to change habits bcos old habits are hard to break.
Let’s double the normal interaction gap between people when we chat. Better still, keep out of arm’s reach.
An air gap fist bump would be better than an elbow bump, and an elbow bump would be better than a handshake.
An air gap fist bump means our outstretched fist can’t touch the other person’s outstretched fist. That would be more than a meter apart.
Let’s keep interactions short and sweet, especially if we come within the safe gap.
So Mind the Gap
Keep it Short and Safe
Wash our hands regularly
Watch for fire risks if we use alcohol sanitisers
Use any mask or shield as we like -
a mask can help to isolate the virus.
A mask helps keep our saliva to ourselves. It also helps to reduce incoming droplets.
So the improvised mask or face shield would serve to isolate the virus, if any, to each of us, however imperfectly.
So don’t feel paiseh if you feel better to put on a mask.
Just try to save and preserve the 4 masks given out by Singov earlier.
This is so that we can put on our surgical mask when we are ill and going to see the doctor.
She also shared this link:
https://medium.com/@Cancerwarrior/covid-19-why-we-should-all-wear-masks-there-is-new-scientific-rationale-280e08ceee71 -
lee_yl\" post_id=\"1969167\" time=\"1585528952\" user_id=\"17023:
Personally I think the risk of catching it from inanimate objects is still far, far less than catching it from unmasked sick people who cough without covering their mouth, hack up their phlegm and spit anywhere.
The family members of the 3rd Covid-19 deceased are still wondering who/where the deceased caught the Covid virus from. I supposed MOH (especially SPF!) contact tracing team got to buck up to provide the required answers to bring closure for the family. RIP
Till date how many unlinked cases are there? 77 out of 800+? Out of the 77 unlinked cases, what is the possibility that some of them could have caught it from OBJECT to human transmission, such as lift buttons, escalator handrails or public toilets, rather than human to human transmission? :idea:
Which is why SPF couldn’t trace the links to date?
They are not asking the right questions of the Covid patients. “Did u notice anyone around you coughing without covering mouth? Did you take public transport??? Did you go to crowded enclosed aircon places and which??”
If they collate these answers, then they will be able to spot any trends/high risk places.
Surely some data scientists or epidemiologists can do up some data charts to show the highest risk factors within SG.
But, I think the major difficulty is that CID/contact tracing staff could not even get to speak with the poor ICU patient. Even his own family members could not hear him speak as he was on ventilator since very early on. -
zac's mum\" post_id=\"1969172\" time=\"1585532740\" user_id=\"53606:[quote=\"zac's mum\" post_id=1969172 time=1585532740 user_id=53606]
My thinking too - so far most cases in clusters have been close contacts. And that makes the droplet transmission a most likely mode. So if an infected person sneezes/coughs without mask , then that is a highly likely someone in close proximity becoming susceptible. We are all quite into washing hands and keeping them off of face when in public places , so transmission from inanimate objects is minimal.
Personally I think the risk of catching it from inanimate objects is still far, far less than catching it from unmasked sick people who cough without covering their mouth, hack up their phlegm and spit anywhere.
They are not asking the right questions of the Covid patients. “Did u notice anyone around you coughing without covering mouth? Did you take public transport??? Did you go to crowded enclosed aircon places and which??”
If they collate these answers, then they will be able to spot any trends/high risk places.
Surely some data scientists or epidemiologists can do up some data charts to show the highest risk factors within SG.
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It's the gathering of data - completeness and accuracy of data, that is an issue. Once the data is available, robust prediction models can be built.
The TraceTogether app will help a lot in this , hope all get this app running..
Edited: to \" droplet transmission\".
Sorry for the incorrect jargon -
doodbug\" post_id=\"1969169\" time=\"1585531131\" user_id=\"13281:
The attached link bids some pondering. Thanks doodbug.
Mdm Ho Ching wrote the following on her Facebook 12 hours ago:
Don’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good.
Agree that we should keep the surgical as well as N95 masks for our healthcare workers as the top priority, since they face patients every day. Not just covid patients, but also other patients, who need to be protected too.
But we shouldn’t try to demonise the wearing of masks just to preserve the masks for the healthcare workers (HCWs).
Instead, we should be open to the idea of improvising masks for use among the public.
We shouldn’t laugh and snigger at people trying all sorts of protective barriers.
They can be just a plastic shield, or a plastic “curtain” from a hat, a chic designer mask, a simple folded handkerchief, perhaps with a cotton layer in between, a lovingly home sewn mask by grandma or mother.
Whatever we wish to improvise, we should not be made to feel silly or unfashionable.
A full face shield forms a barrier for the eyes, nose and mouth too.
A mask or face shield is no substitute for hand hygiene.
So do wash our hands regularly.
True, a mask or face shield may give a false sense of security and safety. That may lead people to forget the importance of washing hands and safe distancing.
But knowing Singaporeans, the vast majority are conscientious, thoughtful, and disciplined.
Yes, it’s hard to change habits bcos old habits are hard to break.
Let’s double the normal interaction gap between people when we chat. Better still, keep out of arm’s reach.
An air gap fist bump would be better than an elbow bump, and an elbow bump would be better than a handshake.
An air gap fist bump means our outstretched fist can’t touch the other person’s outstretched fist. That would be more than a meter apart.
Let’s keep interactions short and sweet, especially if we come within the safe gap.
So Mind the Gap
Keep it Short and Safe
Wash our hands regularly
Watch for fire risks if we use alcohol sanitisers
Use any mask or shield as we like -
a mask can help to isolate the virus.
A mask helps keep our saliva to ourselves. It also helps to reduce incoming droplets.
So the improvised mask or face shield would serve to isolate the virus, if any, to each of us, however imperfectly.
So don’t feel paiseh if you feel better to put on a mask.
Just try to save and preserve the 4 masks given out by Singov earlier.
This is so that we can put on our surgical mask when we are ill and going to see the doctor.
She also shared this link:
https://medium.com/@Cancerwarrior/covid-19-why-we-should-all-wear-masks-there-is-new-scientific-rationale-280e08ceee71 -
Hi all,
I have created a new thread for all your inputs.
KiasuParents are ingenious people , and I am sure you all have those little things and big things you do at home to be safe in these times. Please share
https://www.kiasuparents.com/kiasu/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=95795&p=1969181#p1969181
:please: :please: :please: -
I do feel though, people who have asthma, or difficulty breathing, or tend to choke, must be very very careful with masks. And no masks for very young kids as far as possible in case they suffocate or can’t yank it off in time in an emergency.
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Sun_2010\" post_id=\"1969177\" time=\"1585537053\" user_id=\"18393:
The medical people call that kind of transmission \"droplet\" transmission. They are airborne, but only briefly as they settle quickly, and over a short distance. Then transmission by contact takes over. They use \"aerosol\" transmission to mean that the virus can stay suspended in the air for long periods, up to hours, and can be easily moved by air currents. It isn't established that Covid-19 does this except when generated during some medical procedures.
My thinking too - so far most cases in clusters have been close contacts. And that makes the aerosol transmission a most likely mode. So if an infected person sneezes/coughs without mask , then that is a highly likely someone in close proximity becoming susceptible.
There has been a lot of misunderstanding because of those terms used by the medical people. -
slmkhoo\" post_id=\"1969186\" time=\"1585540271\" user_id=\"28674:
Thanks for the correction slmkhoo. Edited my post
The medical people call that kind of transmission \"droplet\" transmission. They are airborne, but only briefly as they settle quickly, and over a short distance. Then transmission by contact takes over. They use \"aerosol\" transmission to mean that the virus can stay suspended in the air for long periods, up to hours, and can be easily moved by air currents. It isn't established that Covid-19 does this except when generated during some medical procedures.Sun_2010\" post_id=\"1969177\" time=\"1585537053\" user_id=\"18393:
My thinking too - so far most cases in clusters have been close contacts. And that makes the aerosol transmission a most likely mode. So if an infected person sneezes/coughs without mask , then that is a highly likely someone in close proximity becoming susceptible.
There has been a lot of misunderstanding because of those terms used by the medical people. -
doodbug\" post_id=\"1969169\" time=\"1585531131\" user_id=\"13281:
Ho Ching wrote that herself or her Facebook management team?
Mdm Ho Ching wrote the following on her Facebook 12 hours ago:
Don’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good.
Agree that we should keep the surgical as well as N95 masks for our healthcare workers as the top priority, since they face patients every day. Not just covid patients, but also other patients, who need to be protected too.
But we shouldn’t try to demonise the wearing of masks just to preserve the masks for the healthcare workers (HCWs).
Instead, we should be open to the idea of improvising masks for use among the public.
We shouldn’t laugh and snigger at people trying all sorts of protective barriers.
They can be just a plastic shield, or a plastic “curtain” from a hat, a chic designer mask, a simple folded handkerchief, perhaps with a cotton layer in between, a lovingly home sewn mask by grandma or mother.
Whatever we wish to improvise, we should not be made to feel silly or unfashionable.
A full face shield forms a barrier for the eyes, nose and mouth too.
A mask or face shield is no substitute for hand hygiene.
So do wash our hands regularly.
True, a mask or face shield may give a false sense of security and safety. That may lead people to forget the importance of washing hands and safe distancing.
But knowing Singaporeans, the vast majority are conscientious, thoughtful, and disciplined.
Yes, it’s hard to change habits bcos old habits are hard to break.
Let’s double the normal interaction gap between people when we chat. Better still, keep out of arm’s reach.
An air gap fist bump would be better than an elbow bump, and an elbow bump would be better than a handshake.
An air gap fist bump means our outstretched fist can’t touch the other person’s outstretched fist. That would be more than a meter apart.
Let’s keep interactions short and sweet, especially if we come within the safe gap.
So Mind the Gap
Keep it Short and Safe
Wash our hands regularly
Watch for fire risks if we use alcohol sanitisers
Use any mask or shield as we like -
a mask can help to isolate the virus.
A mask helps keep our saliva to ourselves. It also helps to reduce incoming droplets.
So the improvised mask or face shield would serve to isolate the virus, if any, to each of us, however imperfectly.
So don’t feel paiseh if you feel better to put on a mask.
Just try to save and preserve the 4 masks given out by Singov earlier.
This is so that we can put on our surgical mask when we are ill and going to see the doctor.
She also shared this link:
https://medium.com/@Cancerwarrior/covid-19-why-we-should-all-wear-masks-there-is-new-scientific-rationale-280e08ceee71
“...But we shouldn’t try to demonise the wearing of masks just to preserve the masks for the healthcare workers (HCWs)....”
“The husband” told everyone no need to wear mask if not sick, but “the wife” asks us to put on something (masks/plastics/face shield) to protect ourselves.
Sound likes “the wife” slapping “the husband”.
That’s why when I suggest to make it mandatory to wear mask (or cover w handkerchief) during peak hour train ride, DH says the govt will not approve cos it’s like slapping themselves.
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