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[sharonkhoo]

phtthp\" post_id=\"1980194\" time=\"1591686049\" user_id=\"35251:

For IP students,
Social studies not compulsory, newspaper reported

https://www.straitstimes.com/forum/letters-in-print/equip-teachers-to-handle-social-studies-class-deftly

This was 2016 - has it changed? In any case, although it may not have been compulsory, my guess is that most schools would have had SS as a subject, which would be compulsory within the school. Doesn't MOE make National Education compusory (i.e. it's got to be worked in somehow)?

I believe that the writer of the letter was assuming that because IP students don't have to take O levels, they didn't have SS as a subject at all. That isn't the case. At least in my daughter's sec school, they had SS for all 4 years.

[2eclipse]

For students taking HCL, triple science and double Math, are they considered as 9 or 10 subjects?

[phtthp]

2eclipse\" post_id=\"1980227\" time=\"1591699553\" user_id=\"185689:

For students taking HCL, triple science and double Math, are they considered as 9 or 10 subjects?

HCL is subject #9, not 10th

Example

If you are an O-level student taking Triple Pure Sciences, and if also take HCL, means

a) 2 languages

(English, Standard Chinese)


b) double Maths

(A Maths, E Maths)


c) triple Pure Sciences

that is,
Pure (Physics, Chemistry, Biology)

Not Physical Science
Not Combined Science

(up to here, reached 7 subjects already)


d) #8 subject is \" combined \" humanities

that is,
compulsory SS (Social Sciences), must lump together with an \"Elective\" Humanities subject (eg. Elective History / Elective Geography / Elective English Literature)

e) #9 subject is Higher Chinese


f)
optional #10th subject, if also take

- 3rd foreign language (Spanish, German, French, Japanese, at MOELC). Only the Top 10% of the entire PSLE cohort, qualify to take 3rd foreign language, depend on each cohort performance. Usually, hover around Tscore 252 minimum (fall within Top 10% PSLE cohort), + or -, depending on each PSLE cohort performance.

Or

- take Malay or Bahasa at MOELC

Or

- take MEP (Music Elective) or
take AEP (Art Elective)

Or

- take another \"Core\" humanities subject as #10, over and above the earlier \"Combined\" Humanities.

ie.
take
\"Core\" History / Core Geography / Core English Literature, for some Top O-level students who are targeting \"Humanities\" scholarship later on, when they move up to A-level Junior College


note

students need approval from their Secondary school (or Moe), if student take Total 10 subjects, because school ensure that students are able to handle the workload, before approve student to take the 10th subject.

If a student is already struggling with 7 or with 8 subjects combination, \"dying\" from the study work load, school won't approve 10th subject.

==========================

But nowadays, usually schools encourage (double pure Sciences, double Humanities) subject combination, at EOY (end-of-year) Sec 2 streaming, so that

- when move up to JC level, advantage is, you have an extra, another choice of Humanities subject, since you have already done it at O-level, before.

========================

What's the difference, between \"Elective\" vs. \"Core\" humanities?

\"Elective\" humanities, cover only 50 % content taught, inside \"Core\" humanities. Can compare & contrast, the detailed SEAB syllabus

[2eclipse]

phtthp\" post_id=\"1980234\" time=\"1591703969\" user_id=\"35251:

2eclipse\" post_id=\"1980227\" time=\"1591699553\" user_id=\"185689:

For students taking HCL, triple science and double Math, are they considered as 9 or 10 subjects?

HCL is subject #9, not 10th

Example

If you are an O-level student taking Triple Pure Sciences, and if also take HCL, means

a) 2 languages

(English, Standard Chinese)


b) double Maths

(A Maths, E Maths)


c) triple Pure Sciences

that is,
Pure (Physics, Chemistry, Biology)

Not Physical Science
Not Combined Science

(up to here, reached 7 subjects already)


d) #8 subject is \" combined \" humanities

that is,
compulsory SS (Social Sciences), must lump together with an \"Elective\" Humanities subject (eg. Elective History / Elective Geography / Elective English Literature)

e) #9 subject is Higher Chinese


f)
optional #10th subject, if also take

- 3rd foreign language (Spanish, German, French, Japanese, at MOELC). Only the Top 10% of the entire PSLE cohort, qualify to take 3rd foreign language, depend on each cohort performance. Usually, hover around Tscore 252 minimum (fall within Top 10% PSLE cohort), + or -, depending on each PSLE cohort performance.

Or

- take Malay or Bahasa at MOELC

Or

- take MEP (Music Elective) or
take AEP (Art Elective)

Or

- take another \"Core\" humanities subject as #10, over and above the earlier \"Combined\" Humanities.

ie.
take
\"Core\" History / Core Geography / Core English Literature, for some Top O-level students who are targeting \"Humanities\" scholarship later on, when they move up to A-level Junior College


note

students need approval from their Secondary school (or Moe), if student take Total 10 subjects, because school ensure that students are able to handle the workload, before approve student to take the 10th subject.

If a student is already struggling with 7 or with 8 subjects combination, \"dying\" from the study work load, school won't approve 10th subject.

==========================

But nowadays, usually schools encourage (double pure Sciences, double Humanities) subject combination, at EOY (end-of-year) Sec 2 streaming, so that

- when move up to JC level, advantage is, you have an extra, another choice of Humanities subject, since you have already done it at O-level, before.

========================

What's the difference, between \"Elective\" vs. \"Core\" humanities?

\"Elective\" humanities, cover only 50 % content taught, inside \"Core\" humanities. Can compare & contrast, the detailed SEAB syllabus

Thanks phtthp. Another headache in 2 years down the road.

[phtthp]

2eclipse\" post_id=\"1980227\" time=\"1591699553\" user_id=\"185689:

For students taking HCL, triple science and double Math, are they considered as 9 or 10 subjects?

some Secondary schools imposed \"minimum and maximum\" subject combination

minimum, 6 O-level subjects
maximum, 9 O-level subjects

and the school does NOT allow students to take #10th subject

example

refer slide #26

https://www.chijsec.edu.sg/qql/slot/u521/Parents/2018/Streaming%20Slides_2018%20%28PTM%20Talk%29.pdf

[2eclipse]

phtthp\" post_id=\"1980433\" time=\"1591860543\" user_id=\"35251:

2eclipse\" post_id=\"1980227\" time=\"1591699553\" user_id=\"185689:

For students taking HCL, triple science and double Math, are they considered as 9 or 10 subjects?

some Secondary schools imposed \"minimum and maximum\" subject combination

minimum, 6 O-level subjects
maximum, 9 O-level subjects

and the school does NOT allow students to take #10th subject

example

refer slide #26

https://www.chijsec.edu.sg/qql/slot/u521/Parents/2018/Streaming%20Slides_2018%20%28PTM%20Talk%29.pdf

Thanks! I think in most schools, triple science is only offered to students who managed to get above 75% overall, A1 student.

[sky minecrafter]

Ported over from the Crisis Around the World - War/ Health/ Weather/ Economy/ Society thread

zac's mum:

...Hi phtthp, I have sent you an email about upper secondary materials...

Hello! Thanks much, zacs mum, very resourceful+generous of you! Will surely look into your recommendations! TGIF!!

[phtthp]

2eclipse\" post_id=\"1980454\" time=\"1591872309\" user_id=\"185689:

phtthp\" post_id=\"1980433\" time=\"1591860543\" user_id=\"35251:

some Secondary schools imposed \"minimum and maximum\" subject combination

minimum, 6 O-level subjects
maximum, 9 O-level subjects

and the school does NOT allow students to take #10th subject

example

refer slide #26

https://www.chijsec.edu.sg/qql/slot/u521/Parents/2018/Streaming%20Slides_2018%20%28PTM%20Talk%29.pdf

Thanks!

I think in most schools, triple science is only offered to students who managed to get above 75% overall, A1 (75 & above) student.

Yes, if student want

- Triple Pure Sciences

usually, schools require at least A1 (75 & above) , in both Sec 2 end-of-year-Assessment streaming (Maths & Science subjects).

over & above this requirement,
schools also expect minimum 70%, in overall Total, if student want to take on #9 subject


- (Double Sciences, Double Humanities)

require at least 60 marks each, in (Maths & Science)

Example

can refer slide #54,
inside school slides \"Promotion to Sec 3\", Crescent Girls Secondary school, whose 2019 PSLE Cut-off-point was 243, high !

https://www.crescent.edu.sg/qql/slot/u360/Announcements/Sec2%20Parent%20Seminar%202014.pdf

https://sis.moe.gov.sg/SchoolDetails.aspx?schoolCode=3005

[phtthp]

What if, students are keen to transfer, from O-level into IP, at the end of Sec 2 ?


Sec 2 students who want to know what are the criteria, for Sec 3 subject combination in Victoria Secondary school, can assess below

Example

at end of Sec 2 (O-level),

- internal O-level track students within Victoria Secondary school itself, as well as

- outside, external students from other Secondary schools, who wish to seek transfer into Victoria Secondary, if got vacancies exist for IP, to join Sec 3 Victoria (IP) program,

1) your Maths and Science, must be at least >= 70 marks, and

2) your overall Total, including your best Sec 2 humanties subject (from English Literature / History / Geography),
must >= 70%

info

https://victoria.moe.edu.sg/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/Sec_2_Subject_Combination_Aug_2016.pdf

[Cool nurse]

Hi parents! Just curious, how common is it for pupils to take triple humanities in the ‘top schools’?