Secondary 2 Streaming

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Which school(s) have this combi of triple pure Sciences + 1 combined humanities?

Please enlighten me cos I thought it would be very rare.

For O-level students,
who are taking
special talent-skilled subject, in certain designated schools hand-picked (approved) by MOE,

E.g.

AEP (Art Elective Program) / MEP (Music Elective Program) \"stand-alone\" core (full) Humanities,

that will enable you to take all the way, straight up into Junior College (JC1 level), even after your O-level,

here is the break-down (detail), of Total 9 subjects combination, if take Triple Sciences
at Upper Sec (3 & 4) level, after the end-of-sec 2 streaming exercise -


1)

2 languages
(English + Higher Chinese)

2)

2 Maths
(Elementary Maths + Additional Maths)

3)

3 Sciences (ie. Triples Sciences)
Pure (Chemistry + Physics + Biology)

up to this point here, reach Total 7 subjects already


4)

the compulsory Social Studies +
\"Elective\" Humanities (can be History or Geography or English Literature) combined together, counted as one single subject, #8

5)

AEP or MEP, is subject #9

6)

If students take 3rd foreign language
(Spanish / French / German / Japanese), this will be counted as subject #10

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note

Maximum, Total 8 subjects taken for Triple Science students, is the norm, in most Secondary schools.

This include O-level students in,
example
(Cedar Girls', Crescent Girls, Anglican High, Nanhua High, Maris Stella High, Chung Cheng High) Secondary schools


only outstanding students @end of Sec 2 streaming exercise,
who prove that they have the ability to manage (handle / tackle) the \"above-norm\", are allowed to take Total 9 subjects.


If students wish to take #10 subject (3rd Foreign language),
students need to seek (obtain) approval from their respective school Principal / MOE, first

because

schools do not want students to take so many subjects, get overwhelmed by the heavy burden school work-load, in the end cannot cope, didn't do well, affect (impact) their overall L1R5 score, to
enter Junior Colleges / Polytechnic.

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Btw

AEP / MEP and 3rd foreign language, are mutually exclusive.

For those few, special designated schools that offer talent in AEP / MEP, normally they won't let students take

- AEP with 3rd foreign language, or
- MEP with 3rd foreign language

because

AEP / MEP itself, are already very heavy in content

There had been past cases, where students appealed to drop out of AEP / MEP, before reaching the end-of-their-Sec2, cannot cope. What more, when more new subjects (eg. Social studies) start to come in, at Sec 3 brginning.
Whether appeal to drop can go through or not, MOE will evaluate (consider), case by case basis

The lesser number of subjects students take, the better they tend to perform at O-level National exam, because
they have more time to study, more time to prepare, more time to absorb or \"internalize\" (digest), per subject inside their L1R5

[phtthp]

For IP students,

Social studies not compulsory, newspaper reported


https://www.straitstimes.com/forum/letters-in-print/equip-teachers-to-handle-social-studies-class-deftly

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phtthp\" post_id=\"1980194\" time=\"1591686049\" user_id=\"35251:

For IP students,
Social studies not compulsory, newspaper reported

https://www.straitstimes.com/forum/letters-in-print/equip-teachers-to-handle-social-studies-class-deftly

This was 2016 - has it changed? In any case, although it may not have been compulsory, my guess is that most schools would have had SS as a subject, which would be compulsory within the school. Doesn't MOE make National Education compusory (i.e. it's got to be worked in somehow)?

I believe that the writer of the letter was assuming that because IP students don't have to take O levels, they didn't have SS as a subject at all. That isn't the case. At least in my daughter's sec school, they had SS for all 4 years.

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For students taking HCL, triple science and double Math, are they considered as 9 or 10 subjects?

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2eclipse\" post_id=\"1980227\" time=\"1591699553\" user_id=\"185689:

For students taking HCL, triple science and double Math, are they considered as 9 or 10 subjects?

HCL is subject #9, not 10th

Example

If you are an O-level student taking Triple Pure Sciences, and if also take HCL, means

a) 2 languages

(English, Standard Chinese)


b) double Maths

(A Maths, E Maths)


c) triple Pure Sciences

that is,
Pure (Physics, Chemistry, Biology)

Not Physical Science
Not Combined Science

(up to here, reached 7 subjects already)


d) #8 subject is \" combined \" humanities

that is,
compulsory SS (Social Sciences), must lump together with an \"Elective\" Humanities subject (eg. Elective History / Elective Geography / Elective English Literature)

e) #9 subject is Higher Chinese


f)
optional #10th subject, if also take

- 3rd foreign language (Spanish, German, French, Japanese, at MOELC). Only the Top 10% of the entire PSLE cohort, qualify to take 3rd foreign language, depend on each cohort performance. Usually, hover around Tscore 252 minimum (fall within Top 10% PSLE cohort), + or -, depending on each PSLE cohort performance.

Or

- take Malay or Bahasa at MOELC

Or

- take MEP (Music Elective) or
take AEP (Art Elective)

Or

- take another \"Core\" humanities subject as #10, over and above the earlier \"Combined\" Humanities.

ie.
take
\"Core\" History / Core Geography / Core English Literature, for some Top O-level students who are targeting \"Humanities\" scholarship later on, when they move up to A-level Junior College


note

students need approval from their Secondary school (or Moe), if student take Total 10 subjects, because school ensure that students are able to handle the workload, before approve student to take the 10th subject.

If a student is already struggling with 7 or with 8 subjects combination, \"dying\" from the study work load, school won't approve 10th subject.

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But nowadays, usually schools encourage (double pure Sciences, double Humanities) subject combination, at EOY (end-of-year) Sec 2 streaming, so that

- when move up to JC level, advantage is, you have an extra, another choice of Humanities subject, since you have already done it at O-level, before.

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What's the difference, between \"Elective\" vs. \"Core\" humanities?

\"Elective\" humanities, cover only 50 % content taught, inside \"Core\" humanities. Can compare & contrast, the detailed SEAB syllabus

[2eclipse]

phtthp\" post_id=\"1980234\" time=\"1591703969\" user_id=\"35251:

2eclipse\" post_id=\"1980227\" time=\"1591699553\" user_id=\"185689:

For students taking HCL, triple science and double Math, are they considered as 9 or 10 subjects?

HCL is subject #9, not 10th

Example

If you are an O-level student taking Triple Pure Sciences, and if also take HCL, means

a) 2 languages

(English, Standard Chinese)


b) double Maths

(A Maths, E Maths)


c) triple Pure Sciences

that is,
Pure (Physics, Chemistry, Biology)

Not Physical Science
Not Combined Science

(up to here, reached 7 subjects already)


d) #8 subject is \" combined \" humanities

that is,
compulsory SS (Social Sciences), must lump together with an \"Elective\" Humanities subject (eg. Elective History / Elective Geography / Elective English Literature)

e) #9 subject is Higher Chinese


f)
optional #10th subject, if also take

- 3rd foreign language (Spanish, German, French, Japanese, at MOELC). Only the Top 10% of the entire PSLE cohort, qualify to take 3rd foreign language, depend on each cohort performance. Usually, hover around Tscore 252 minimum (fall within Top 10% PSLE cohort), + or -, depending on each PSLE cohort performance.

Or

- take Malay or Bahasa at MOELC

Or

- take MEP (Music Elective) or
take AEP (Art Elective)

Or

- take another \"Core\" humanities subject as #10, over and above the earlier \"Combined\" Humanities.

ie.
take
\"Core\" History / Core Geography / Core English Literature, for some Top O-level students who are targeting \"Humanities\" scholarship later on, when they move up to A-level Junior College


note

students need approval from their Secondary school (or Moe), if student take Total 10 subjects, because school ensure that students are able to handle the workload, before approve student to take the 10th subject.

If a student is already struggling with 7 or with 8 subjects combination, \"dying\" from the study work load, school won't approve 10th subject.

==========================

But nowadays, usually schools encourage (double pure Sciences, double Humanities) subject combination, at EOY (end-of-year) Sec 2 streaming, so that

- when move up to JC level, advantage is, you have an extra, another choice of Humanities subject, since you have already done it at O-level, before.

========================

What's the difference, between \"Elective\" vs. \"Core\" humanities?

\"Elective\" humanities, cover only 50 % content taught, inside \"Core\" humanities. Can compare & contrast, the detailed SEAB syllabus

Thanks phtthp. Another headache in 2 years down the road.

[phtthp]

2eclipse\" post_id=\"1980227\" time=\"1591699553\" user_id=\"185689:

For students taking HCL, triple science and double Math, are they considered as 9 or 10 subjects?

some Secondary schools imposed \"minimum and maximum\" subject combination

minimum, 6 O-level subjects
maximum, 9 O-level subjects

and the school does NOT allow students to take #10th subject

example

refer slide #26

https://www.chijsec.edu.sg/qql/slot/u521/Parents/2018/Streaming%20Slides_2018%20%28PTM%20Talk%29.pdf

[2eclipse]

phtthp\" post_id=\"1980433\" time=\"1591860543\" user_id=\"35251:

2eclipse\" post_id=\"1980227\" time=\"1591699553\" user_id=\"185689:

For students taking HCL, triple science and double Math, are they considered as 9 or 10 subjects?

some Secondary schools imposed \"minimum and maximum\" subject combination

minimum, 6 O-level subjects
maximum, 9 O-level subjects

and the school does NOT allow students to take #10th subject

example

refer slide #26

https://www.chijsec.edu.sg/qql/slot/u521/Parents/2018/Streaming%20Slides_2018%20%28PTM%20Talk%29.pdf

Thanks! I think in most schools, triple science is only offered to students who managed to get above 75% overall, A1 student.

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Ported over from the Crisis Around the World - War/ Health/ Weather/ Economy/ Society thread

zac's mum:

...Hi phtthp, I have sent you an email about upper secondary materials...

Hello! Thanks much, zacs mum, very resourceful+generous of you! Will surely look into your recommendations! TGIF!!

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2eclipse\" post_id=\"1980454\" time=\"1591872309\" user_id=\"185689:

phtthp\" post_id=\"1980433\" time=\"1591860543\" user_id=\"35251:

some Secondary schools imposed \"minimum and maximum\" subject combination

minimum, 6 O-level subjects
maximum, 9 O-level subjects

and the school does NOT allow students to take #10th subject

example

refer slide #26

https://www.chijsec.edu.sg/qql/slot/u521/Parents/2018/Streaming%20Slides_2018%20%28PTM%20Talk%29.pdf

Thanks!

I think in most schools, triple science is only offered to students who managed to get above 75% overall, A1 (75 & above) student.

Yes, if student want

- Triple Pure Sciences

usually, schools require at least A1 (75 & above) , in both Sec 2 end-of-year-Assessment streaming (Maths & Science subjects).

over & above this requirement,
schools also expect minimum 70%, in overall Total, if student want to take on #9 subject


- (Double Sciences, Double Humanities)

require at least 60 marks each, in (Maths & Science)

Example

can refer slide #54,
inside school slides \"Promotion to Sec 3\", Crescent Girls Secondary school, whose 2019 PSLE Cut-off-point was 243, high !

https://www.crescent.edu.sg/qql/slot/u360/Announcements/Sec2%20Parent%20Seminar%202014.pdf

https://sis.moe.gov.sg/SchoolDetails.aspx?schoolCode=3005