Corona Virus Disease (COVID-19) Updates
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Schootopia\" post_id=\"2027503\" time=\"1624025614\" user_id=\"143961:
Who came out, with this idea of 2 ?
Some minister was joking right?
A family of 4/6 eat together at same table at home all the time need to sit in 2s at the restaurant.
Like that we need to stretch our hand for 1 metre to pass the dishes.
Great for optics...
How does that reduce spread?
Isn't it wayang all along?
The same family of more than 2 cannot sit together, for dine in ?
SAME family !
So, at home,
u all eat in separate room ?
Husband & wife eat in dining room,
2 siblings eat inside the kitchen, and if more siblings,
eat inside the bedroom ? -
Schootopia\" post_id=\"2027503\" time=\"1624025614\" user_id=\"143961:
Eat at home lah. Don't make other people's life difficult. And you are not supposed to pass the dishes.
Some minister was joking right?
A family of 4/6 eat together at same table at home all the time need to sit in 2s at the restaurant.
Like that we need to stretch our hand for 1 metre to pass the dishes.
Great for optics...
How does that reduce spread?
Isn't it wayang all along?
You want the restaurant or random strangers to check all your ICs to see if you are all from the same household just to see if the restaurant is conforming to SMM?
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Schootopia\" post_id=\"2027503\" time=\"1624025614\" user_id=\"143961:
I think this is not about transmission, but about policing. It will be hard for the safe distancing ambassadors to have to check addresses for all such groups. Also, others will feel they can get away with sitting in a larger group if there is no ambassador around, or they are prepared to lie. Overall, there will likely be more sitting in larger groups even if technically not allowed.
Some minister was joking right?
A family of 4/6 eat together at same table at home all the time need to sit in 2s at the restaurant.
Like that we need to stretch our hand for 1 metre to pass the dishes.
Great for optics...
How does that reduce spread?
Isn't it wayang all along? -
loandbehold\" post_id=\"2027513\" time=\"1624035403\" user_id=\"193042:
74% effective for Asian? Funny thing is, in Singapore, around 91% of the SG NON-Vaccinated folks who tested positive in this wave showed no or mild symptoms.
FDA's staff report broke down the trial data by age, gender, race, ethnicity, and more, and its conclusions were extremely encouraging: \"[Vaccine efficacy] point estimates were uniformly high across the subgroups examined.\"
There are two small caveats. The study enrolled only limited numbers of people from certain minority groups, making it impossible to draw statistically significant conclusions. For instance, FDA found the vaccine was 74% effective among Asian study participants—which at a glance might look a lot lower than its 95% effectiveness in the broader population.
https://www.advisory.com/en/daily-briefing/2020/12/11/eua-questions
95% efficacy means 95% of covid patients will show no or mild symptoms. Not 95% chances won’t get infected with Covid.
Which are the biggest clusters in SG?
Largest is Changi Airport.
2nd largest is Bukit Merah?
3rd was Jem/Westage or MINDSVille (91% vaccinated).
Someone mentioned that for Bukit Merah cluster, more than half has been vaccinated. Then in this case, all the mega clusters comprised a majority of vaccinated folks? Weird. -
We may need to differentiate between those fully vaccinated and those taken the first dose only.
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starlight1968sg\" post_id=\"2027522\" time=\"1624066086\" user_id=\"14025:
For Bukit Merah cluster, most are FULLY vaccinated.
We may need to differentiate between those fully vaccinated and those taken the first dose only.
Last night ST reported a school bus uncle (fully vaccinated) went there to dabao food, was tested positive. He developed fever, flu and fatigue so he went clinic to seek treatment where he tested positive.
For who tested positive, did they really queue 30 mins to dabao? If no, that means transmission of Delta variant needs less than 30 mins for transmission? Then maybe our trace together need to be configured to less than 30 mins?
For Delta Variant, it was reported in UK studies that one needs to be fully vaccinated to be effectively protected. For those with only 1 dose, it is as good as not being vaccinated. So those who took only 1st dose and had to delay their 2nd dose, are at risk. -
I seriously doubt queueing is the problem unless you were standing next to the infected stall assistant all the time. When queueing you stand near other customers in the queue.
Fomites would be more likely. -
https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202106/1226438.shtml
There is a problem with testing strategies of once every 14 days if the incubation period for the delta variant is as short as 2-3 days. 14 days will be more than enough time for super spreading clusters.
What the Chinese experts are saying seems to be consistent with our own experience with Changi Airport T3, Tan Tock Seng, MINDSville, Jem and now Bukit Merah View.
Don't say nobody warned us just because no US, UK or European expert has said it yet har. -
slmkhoo\" post_id=\"2027479\" time=\"1624001364\" user_id=\"28674:
I recall a chart from MOH which showed that 91.7% of non-vaccinated folks also showed no or mild symptoms when they were covid positive. Same magnitude as the vaccinated folks. So perhaps not entirely true that vaccination has helped to lower the severity of this current wave.
I think we may have to change our definition of \"safe\". In earlier days, when we knew less, those who contracted Covid-19 got sicker, and fewer were vaccinated, \"safe\" meant not getting Covid-19 at all, and keeping the cases to as close to 0 as possible. Now, many cases are asymptomatic or with mild symptoms, and few end up seriously sick (this lower severity is attributed to more being vaccinated, even though the vaccines don't prevent transmission entirely). So a modified definition of \"safe\" may be needed, which allows for a certain level of transmission as long as the no. of seriously sick cases don't threaten to overwhelm our medical facilities. Perhaps short targeted lockdowns and testing (e.g. 1 mall or office building, a few residential blocks, etc.) will be carried out now and again when a cluster grows beyond a certain size, while the rest of the nation continues as per normal. I believe this is what we will get to once enough are vaccinated.lee_yl\" post_id=\"2027472\" time=\"1623996025\" user_id=\"17023:
No one is denying the need for S’pore to stay interconnected to the world. The challenge is how to stay open while still keeping safe.
Remember the Mindsville cluster? Even with 91% of the residents vaccinated, 13% of them tested positive. Extrapolating to 6 million population, do we need to get ready for roughly 780K to be down with covid? So will this figure still be considered “safe”? For the Delta variant, we are lucky that most cases are mild or no symptoms but we can’t be sure for next year’s new variant (even for the vaccinated folks).
Today, we have 11,000+ had who have been to Orchard ION, who came forward to be swabbed. Only 11K swabbed because we are in phase 2 HA without dining in. Had we already opened up to tourists and also allowed dining in at ION, I think can easily increase 10 times more or 110,000+ turn up for swabbing! And that’s testing for 1 potential mall cluster only. I don’t know how ring fencing is going to work when we further open up.
Actually I think if our cases increase and we have to go into hiding once a year, it’s actually not a bad idea as it has been proven to be able to effectively stamp out covid. Maybe it will become a new way living. Like DH puts it, just treat it as we need to have our version of ‘puasa’ once a year,
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lee_yl
I laughed at ¨puasa¨ once a year
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