Corona Virus Disease (COVID-19) Updates
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sevenseals\" post_id=\"2039332\" time=\"1632492649\" user_id=\"124401:
https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/moh-points-to-denmarks-covid-19-battle-similar-to-singapores-but-children-more
Are you an epidemiologist or you have clinical facts to support what you say. Or is it just kiasuparent's opinion.starlight1968sg\" post_id=\"2039330\" time=\"1632492280\" user_id=\"14025:
These countries hv a lot of infected cases earlier and they hv paid the price. Our cases are not a lot by comparison -
zeit.\" post_id=\"2039326\" time=\"1632491506\" user_id=\"194295:
still too dangerous to travel
I lost 2 years of my holidays. Waiting for France to be included. I only want to go to France.starlight1968sg\" post_id=\"2039321\" time=\"1632488911\" user_id=\"14025:
The world has lost 2 years to battle with covid
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Zappy\" post_id=\"2039314\" time=\"1632486142\" user_id=\"134817:
Err… I think it has nothing to do with the number of ICU cases thus far. 23 is definitely not a lot.
But now we have 23 ICU cases and already we are going back to tighter restrictions. If so, when or rather, what conditions would be deemed safe enough for Singapore to get back to some form of a normal life - cases below 100/ day, and zero ICU?
The problem is, something was wrong with the medical protocols thus causing a looming shortage for the hospital beds. Not enough hospital isolation beds for the Covid patients and jam locked at A&E. Home Recovery also caused a lot of confusion to many due to poor public comms. I checked back my earlier post, on 10th Sept, we had only 6 in ICU but the isolation beds were already 80% full.
The community treatment facilities can just be very basic with oxygen supplants available and always ready transportation to hospitals should anyone’s condition turn for the worse. This should remove the burden on the healthcare system.
Anyway, the tightened measures should buy time to roll out booster shots for the more vulnerable groups and also allow MOH to regroup and reorganize themselves to iron out all the glaring operational issues. -
How many of you, without using google, will know what is MOH’s COVID Hotline number?
So for old folks who don’t know how to use google, very likely they don’t know how to call the hotline for help. Give old folks a special hotline that is super easy to remember to call lah, like 9595 (救我救我) should they experience chest pain or feel breathless. And please use operators who can speak dialects and not just English.
There is one private company who even offered their core operations to help (call centre?) and OYK sounded very appreciative. DH felt sad for the govt, after all, the public service is one of the biggest employers in S’pore with the deepest pocket and yet cannot coordinate a Whole-of-Government approach to manage the situation.
Shockingly, instead of calling GovTech to help with introducing new technologies and process re-engineering to sort out the operational mess, MOH can only turn to SAF for cheap labour. Remember last year, the NSFs had to unpack and repack FOUR surgical masks for every household by hand. Human labour is not scalable. How many telephone operators are they getting to man the hotlines? So does MOH intend to outsource the hotline calls to Philippines or India call centres?
Why the first instinct is to throw manpower to address the problem, why they never think of using technology? Tap on technology, get GovTech to design and implement a AI-based BOT to handle the hotline calls. -
starlight1968sg\" post_id=\"2039330\" time=\"1632492280\" user_id=\"14025:
These countries hv a lot of infected cases earlier and they hv paid the price. Our cases are not a lot by comparison[/quote]Yes, a lot of Western countries had high fatalities among the vulnerable groups earlier on.
Not true.sevenseals\" post_id=\"2039327\" time=\"1632491962\" user_id=\"124401:
[quote=Zappy post_id=2039314 time=1632486142 user_id=134817]
But now we have 23 ICU cases and already we are going back to tighter restrictions. If so, when or rather, what conditions would be deemed safe enough for Singapore to get back to some form of a normal life - cases below 100/ day, and zero ICU? That's realistically never going to happen as long as this thing is around and we attempt to open up to the world.
In fact,
Some form of normal life is happening in Denmark, Sweden, Qatar, UAE, Italy, France, Germany where they are on the mend after opening, or approaching flattening of curve.
There might be something these countries have that is missing in Sg's opening strategy
The vulnerable ones in Singapore are just beginning to be exposed to the virus and it seems like for some of them are not going to make it despite the vaccination. I am getting the feeling that the MTF is trying to find a sweet spot for a combination of restrictions that would keep the case number at a stable number instead of a continual increase. But seriously, with basically most of the world trying to go the endemic route, the virus is going to be around years from now. -
Dreamaurora\" post_id=\"2039345\" time=\"1632500010\" user_id=\"38907:
Yes, a lot of Western countries had high fatalities among the vulnerable groups earlier on.
These countries hv a lot of infected cases earlier and they hv paid the price. Our cases are not a lot by comparisonstarlight1968sg\" post_id=\"2039330\" time=\"1632492280\" user_id=\"14025:
[quote=sevenseals post_id=2039327 time=1632491962 user_id=124401]
Not true.
In fact,
Some form of normal life is happening in Denmark, Sweden, Qatar, UAE, Italy, France, Germany where they are on the mend after opening, or approaching flattening of curve.
There might be something these countries have that is missing in Sg's opening strategy
The vulnerable ones in Singapore are just beginning to be exposed to the virus and it seems like for some of them are not going to make it despite the vaccination. I am getting the feeling that the MTF is trying to find a sweet spot for a combination of restrictions that would keep the case number at a stable number instead of a continual increase. But seriously, with basically most of the world trying to go the endemic route, the virus is going to be around years from now.[/quote]Agree -
Dreamaurora\" post_id=\"2039345\" time=\"1632500010\" user_id=\"38907:
I agree that Singapore is right to try to avoid the big sudden increase that \"freedom days\" caused, and put hospitals under great strain. So if this is the price we have to pay for slowing the increase, I guess we have to suck it up for the sake of our medical workers.
Yes, a lot of Western countries had high fatalities among the vulnerable groups earlier on.
The vulnerable ones in Singapore are just beginning to be exposed to the virus and it seems like for some of them are not going to make it despite the vaccination. I am getting the feeling that the MTF is trying to find a sweet spot for a combination of restrictions that would keep the case number at a stable number instead of a continual increase. But seriously, with basically most of the world trying to go the endemic route, the virus is going to be around years from now.
However, I do want to point out that this latest HA (even if they refuse to call it that) is just to slow the increase, not intended to reduce the number of cases. The no. of cases will increase anyway, and the MTF is not trying to reduce the no. of people catching Covid. And if some of those people are vulnerable, they will get sick, and also some will die, whether in the next month, or spread out over a few months. I think they have to say this loud and clear enough times so that people don't think that we are still trying to get a low no. of cases and preventing all sickness and deaths. The no. of cases will peak at whatever no. (they currently estimate around 6000 per day) one day, which could be in Oct, or in Dec, but it will happen. By that time, hopefully the MTF will have the sense to stop counting (or at least stop publishing) the total case count each day.
I think they should stop testing asymptomatic cases, stop doing RRT except for those who deal closely with the vulnerable (like medical, care, and social work personnel), and stop encouraging those without symptoms to do frequent ART. Knowing who they are is really unnecessary, and the case count just frightens everyone. Then they can free up a lot of community care beds, and some of the hospitalised can be moved out once they get over the initial symptoms. The impact on society by all the QO and HCW will also be reduced. It just requires the MTF to have the courage of their convictions. -
slmkhoo\" post_id=\"2039356\" time=\"1632529715\" user_id=\"28674:
I agree with you slmkhoo!
I agree that Singapore is right to try to avoid the big sudden increase that \"freedom days\" caused, and put hospitals under great strain. So if this is the price we have to pay for slowing the increase, I guess we have to suck it up for the sake of our medical workers.Dreamaurora\" post_id=\"2039345\" time=\"1632500010\" user_id=\"38907:
Yes, a lot of Western countries had high fatalities among the vulnerable groups earlier on.
The vulnerable ones in Singapore are just beginning to be exposed to the virus and it seems like for some of them are not going to make it despite the vaccination. I am getting the feeling that the MTF is trying to find a sweet spot for a combination of restrictions that would keep the case number at a stable number instead of a continual increase. But seriously, with basically most of the world trying to go the endemic route, the virus is going to be around years from now.
However, I do want to point out that this latest HA (even if they refuse to call it that) is just to slow the increase, not intended to reduce the number of cases. The no. of cases will increase anyway, and the MTF is not trying to reduce the no. of people catching Covid. And if some of those people are vulnerable, they will get sick, and also some will die, whether in the next month, or spread out over a few months. I think they have to say this loud and clear enough times so that people don't think that we are still trying to get a low no. of cases and preventing all sickness and deaths. The no. of cases will peak at whatever no. (they currently estimate around 6000 per day) one day, which could be in Oct, or in Dec, but it will happen. By that time, hopefully the MTF will have the sense to stop counting (or at least stop publishing) the total case count each day.
I think they should stop testing asymptomatic cases, stop doing RRT except for those who deal closely with the vulnerable (like medical, care, and social work personnel), and stop encouraging those without symptoms to do frequent ART. Knowing who they are is really unnecessary, and the case count just frightens everyone. Then they can free up a lot of community care beds, and some of the hospitalised can be moved out once they get over the initial symptoms. The impact on society by all the QO and HCW will also be reduced. It just requires the MTF to have the courage of their convictions.
They are simply wasting a LOT of time & resources dealing with the 98% of cases who are asymptomatic. No wonder they have a gigantic backlog.
If they can just focus their precious resources on the 2% who truly need the help (medically, as well as other support Eg for their affected families), then the whole country wouldn’t be under so much pressure.
The ones who are not vaccinated are responsible for their own lives. Let them decide their own comfort level for stepping out of the house, for meeting people, for dining out etc. It’s silly to curb 86% of the population just for the 14% unvaccinated. And not all the 14% are in the vulnerable category. -
zac's mum\" post_id=\"2039358\" time=\"1632530641\" user_id=\"53606:[quote=\"zac's mum\" post_id=2039358 time=1632530641 user_id=53606]
Just have to wait & see how long it takes before the MTF comes to this inevitable conclusion...slmkhoo\" post_id=\"2039356\" time=\"1632529715\" user_id=\"28674:
I agree with you slmkhoo!
I agree that Singapore is right to try to avoid the big sudden increase that \"freedom days\" caused, and put hospitals under great strain. So if this is the price we have to pay for slowing the increase, I guess we have to suck it up for the sake of our medical workers.
However, I do want to point out that this latest HA (even if they refuse to call it that) is just to slow the increase, not intended to reduce the number of cases. The no. of cases will increase anyway, and the MTF is not trying to reduce the no. of people catching Covid. And if some of those people are vulnerable, they will get sick, and also some will die, whether in the next month, or spread out over a few months. I think they have to say this loud and clear enough times so that people don't think that we are still trying to get a low no. of cases and preventing all sickness and deaths. The no. of cases will peak at whatever no. (they currently estimate around 6000 per day) one day, which could be in Oct, or in Dec, but it will happen. By that time, hopefully the MTF will have the sense to stop counting (or at least stop publishing) the total case count each day.
I think they should stop testing asymptomatic cases, stop doing RRT except for those who deal closely with the vulnerable (like medical, care, and social work personnel), and stop encouraging those without symptoms to do frequent ART. Knowing who they are is really unnecessary, and the case count just frightens everyone. Then they can free up a lot of community care beds, and some of the hospitalised can be moved out once they get over the initial symptoms. The impact on society by all the QO and HCW will also be reduced. It just requires the MTF to have the courage of their convictions.
They are simply wasting a LOT of time & resources dealing with the 98% of cases who are asymptomatic. No wonder they have a gigantic backlog.
If they can just focus their precious resources on the 2% who truly need the help (medically, as well as other support Eg for their affected families), then the whole country wouldn’t be under so much pressure.
The ones who are not vaccinated are responsible for their own lives. Let them decide their own comfort level for stepping out of the house, for meeting people, for dining out etc. It’s silly to curb 86% of the population just for the 14% unvaccinated. And not all the 14% are in the vulnerable category.[/quote] -
The issue is why some seniors excluding those medically unfit not vaccinated
I hv a colleague who refused the jab and choose to resign.
The jab is no longer a choice for us.
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