2022 PSLE Discussions & Strategies (born in 2010)
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With or without any system, the exam papers are being set with different degree of difficulty, so much so that inherently a natural bell curve resulted.
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laughingcat\" post_id=\"2044204\" time=\"1635578555\" user_id=\"3309:
Hmm... I fail to see the difference between what I understand of the situation and your explanation. Of course students are first pruned in terms of citizenship and choice. I am referring to the case when computerized balloting takes place.
Chief, not by this way. Balloting out not by result rather is by citizenship and choice. For what I read, the remaining students of the same score vying for limited vacancy will be screened out based on Citizenship followed by choice orders. Only if citizenship status and school choice order are the same, then computerized balloting will be used to determine who to be admitted.
Ultimately, student with the better PSLE Score will be admitted ahead of a student with a poorer PSLE Score. Only if there is more than one student with the same PSLE Score vying for the last available place in a school, tie-breakers.
How does the student with the \"better\" score get admitted with AL now? Unless the system uses the raw scores of each student secretly during the balloting. Does it? -
This is what the school tells me. Let’s say 15 students of the same score vying for last 5 vacancies. Based on citizenship and choice orders (who place first choice), let’s say the 15 students reduces to 8 students. These 8 students of the same score, same citizenship and same choice orders will go through the computer balloting for the remaining 5 vacancies.
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laughingcat\" post_id=\"2044224\" time=\"1635590370\" user_id=\"3309:
That is exactly what I'm saying. 3 out of 8 students will not get a place in the school, and the worse thing is, in the exams, they could have scored marginally better than those that get in, but because of the coarseness of the scale, they were rated at the same level as the rest of the students.
This is what the school tells me. Let's say 15 students of the same score vying for last 5 vacancies. Based on citizenship and choice orders (who place first choice), let's say the 15 students reduces to 8 students. These 8 students of the same score, same citizenship and same choice orders will go through the computer balloting for the remaining 5 vacancies. -
ChiefKiasu\" post_id=\"2044246\" time=\"1635609646\" user_id=\"3:
To my understanding, the final 8 students having same citizenship and same choice order may score for example, from 91 to 99 and rated at the same level. Because of the computer balloting, the 5 students who finally get the place in their dream school may score 91 to 95 but the 3 unsuccessful students may score 96 to 99. And therefore this is the unfairness of the new system.
That is exactly what I'm saying. 3 out of 8 students will not get a place in the school, and the worse thing is, in the exams, they could have scored marginally better than those that get in, but because of the coarseness of the scale, they were rated at the same level as the rest of the students.laughingcat\" post_id=\"2044224\" time=\"1635590370\" user_id=\"3309:
This is what the school tells me. Let's say 15 students of the same score vying for last 5 vacancies. Based on citizenship and choice orders (who place first choice), let's say the 15 students reduces to 8 students. These 8 students of the same score, same citizenship and same choice orders will go through the computer balloting for the remaining 5 vacancies.
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ChiefKiasu\" post_id=\"2044192\" time=\"1635572955\" user_id=\"3:
The beauty of it all is that nobody will know who did slightly better or worse.
I find it strange that it seems we are reverting back to a balloting system even for P6, when we should have already 6 years to gauge if a certain student is suitable for some type of education. The problem is, most of the balloting would occur for students with good scores going for good secondary schools. Imagine the disappointment of a child who can't get into an elite school of his choice just because he was balloted out by people who may have done a bit worse than him in PSLE. That, to me, is the \"unfairness\" of the new system. -
Liew Nga Wing\" post_id=\"2044247\" time=\"1635615770\" user_id=\"195250:[quote=\"Liew Nga Wing\" post_id=2044247 time=1635615770 user_id=195250]
To my understanding, the final 8 students having same citizenship and same choice order may score for example, from 91 to 99 and rated at the same level. Because of the computer balloting, the 5 students who finally get the place in their dream school may score 91 to 95 but the 3 unsuccessful students may score 96 to 99. And therefore this is the unfairness of the new system.[/quote]Not many things in this world is fair and square. The o-levels function the same way as well, do we say that it’s unfair too?ChiefKiasu\" post_id=\"2044246\" time=\"1635609646\" user_id=\"3:
That is exactly what I'm saying. 3 out of 8 students will not get a place in the school, and the worse thing is, in the exams, they could have scored marginally better than those that get in, but because of the coarseness of the scale, they were rated at the same level as the rest of the students.This is what the school tells me. Let's say 15 students of the same score vying for last 5 vacancies. Based on citizenship and choice orders (who place first choice), let's say the 15 students reduces to 8 students. These 8 students of the same score, same citizenship and same choice orders will go through the computer balloting for the remaining 5 vacancies.
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lee_yl\" post_id=\"2044188\" time=\"1635570539\" user_id=\"17023:
Some form of stress is at times, necessary. The crying that had been reported was not due to the AL system. I see it as a separate issue.
I mean all the average and above students will definitely try to attempt those difficult questions, right? Then many of them will cry, like the Helen & Ivan question.Grr_roxy\" post_id=\"2044183\" time=\"1635569061\" user_id=\"123375:
ST Smart Parenting Webinar on New PSLE scoring system was today.
Based on what I gather, papers for our kiddo will not be very easy next time as the papers will have combination of hard, avg and easy questions. This will then form a natural bell curve like the old scoring system(except this is based on students’ sampling scores for each cohort). And the hard qns will definitely be there to sieve out the good, average and weaker ones.
I guess that our batch will most likely not have the luxury of taking out the last common topics. Understand some P5 may not have completed all the P5 topics. So sch will have to do some catching up now. And for the rest who completed, some will start covering p6 topics now.
IMHO, this new scoring system is definitely more stressful compared to the older one. Not sure why MOE think otherwise. Will our kiddos chase for that 1 more point to score a better AL? Isn’t this obvious?
Removed the t-score old bell curve, now set a new arbitrary bell curve?! 😂
At first thought new AL sort of aim to spread the good students around, so it’s back to bell curve again.
When MOE and the citizens think differently, it means MOE is out of touch with the ground. Don’t mind if I say this, the 1st batch of kids who went through AL banding already cried until some need to see school counselors (as reported in ST), then it shows AL banding does not help in reducing psle stress for both parents and child. Not to mention the secondary school posting stress
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