Corona Virus Disease (COVID-19) Updates

[Liew Nga Wing]

sevenseals\" post_id=\"2045440\" time=\"1636365470\" user_id=\"124401:

I have been compiling COVID statistics for countries around the world for many months and keeping it in an excel file.

Though Singapore's death rate of 85 deaths per million (still rising) as of Nov 7 is lower than the Top 10 Most Resilient Nations in Bloomberg ranking,

I have just found that 31 countries whose total populations of 952 million people, has the lowest death rate in the
world. Their effective death rate is 41 deaths per million which is half of Singapore's rate. And their have tapered their Delta curve long ago and has stabilised their death rate, ie zero death now.

In addition to very low vaccines percentage, due to lack of affordability, they are using anti-viral medicine that won
Nobel Prize in 2015, western medicine.

Will not share the stats on this platform, because this platform is just for chit chat only not serious discourse.

There are many factors will affect the Covid 19 death rate of a country....for example, the age structure of population, the population density, the resources on Medical Sector etc...., not only the use of medicine.

[sevenseals]

Liew Nga Wing\" post_id=\"2045441\" time=\"1636367086\" user_id=\"195250:[quote=\"Liew Nga Wing\" post_id=2045441 time=1636367086 user_id=195250]

There are many factors will affect the Covid 19 death rate of a country....for example, the age structure of population, the population density, the resources on Medical Sector etc...., not only the use of medicine.[/quote]

True. That's why I put aside my project work and spent the whole day today to calculate the population density of each of the 31 countries and compare with the Top 10 Bloomberg countries.

The results surprised me. The 31 countries with low death has population density which is more than double
that of of the Bloomberg Top 10. That is 53 pax per square km for 31 countries versus 24 pax per sq km for Bloomberg Top 10. So by right more densely populated place should have more spread and more death. But the observation is reverse.

You mentioned resource of medical sector, you're right. But the 31 countries are all third world countries with
poor facilities but yet their spread and death rate are much lower. Bloomberg Top 10 are developed nations with lots
of medical resources, yet their spread and death rate many times worst than these 31 3rd world countries.

You mentioned age structure of population. Also compared 31 countries with 22 neighbouring countries not using the anti-virals, It is a factor of 12, ie the 31 countries' death rate is 12 times better than their neighbouring countries with about the same age demographics. That is 41 death per million vs 509 death per million.

This is beyond chit chat already. Out of the scope of this chat group.

If you are interested, can pm you the medical paper written by Japanese National Institutes in Jan 2021. I am just updating the numbers.

[Estéema]

Liew Nga Wing\" post_id=\"2045441\" time=\"1636367086\" user_id=\"195250:[quote=\"Liew Nga Wing\" post_id=2045441 time=1636367086 user_id=195250]

sevenseals\" post_id=\"2045440\" time=\"1636365470\" user_id=\"124401:

I have been compiling COVID statistics for countries around the world for many months and keeping it in an excel file.

Though Singapore's death rate of 85 deaths per million (still rising) as of Nov 7 is lower than the Top 10 Most Resilient Nations in Bloomberg ranking,

I have just found that 31 countries whose total populations of 952 million people, has the lowest death rate in the
world. Their effective death rate is 41 deaths per million which is half of Singapore's rate. And their have tapered their Delta curve long ago and has stabilised their death rate, ie zero death now.

In addition to very low vaccines percentage, due to lack of affordability, they are using anti-viral medicine that won
Nobel Prize in 2015, western medicine.

Will not share the stats on this platform, because this platform is just for chit chat only not serious discourse.

There are many factors will affect the Covid 19 death rate of a country....for example, the age structure of population, the population density, the resources on Medical Sector etc...., not only the use of medicine.[/quote]

Don’t forget the effectiveness of their tracking system, if there is any.

[SG_KP1]

Hopefully the secondary kids can have a normal year in 2022. I guess the primary kids still TBD (vaccine, etc)...


https://www.moe.gov.sg/news/press-releases/20211108-resuming-more-school-and-ihl-activities-to-support-the-holistic-development-and-well-being-of-students

[zac's mum]

Singapore to decide on Covid-19 vaccine for kids aged 5 to 11 in November


https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/singapore-to-decide-on-covid-19-vaccine-for-kids-aged-5-to-11-in-november

[zac's mum]

My P5 just took his Diptheria 3rd shot in school today. The entire class except 1-2 kids got very sore arms within 30min. A couple of them had fever earlier this evening but it has subsided.


Didn’t even recall having these symptoms during my time, but I guess now we’re more alert to such things.

I think they’re all quite open to getting the Covid vaccine next year.

[MrsKiasu]

I think will be kids turn soon…

[MrsKiasu]

zac's mum\" post_id=\"2045449\" time=\"1636373262\" user_id=\"53606:[quote=\"zac's mum\" post_id=2045449 time=1636373262 user_id=53606]
My P5 just took his Diptheria 3rd shot in school today. The entire class except 1-2 kids got very sore arms within 30min. A couple of them had fever earlier this evening but it has subsided.

Didn’t even recall having these symptoms during my time, but I guess now we’re more alert to such things.

I think they’re all quite open to getting the Covid vaccine next year.[/quote]

I never take notice also..usually as per normal whatever jab due just take..dd never feedback I also never ask.

But HPV as too near to vaccination, yes I asked to defer.

[Dreamaurora]

sevenseals\" post_id=\"2045418\" time=\"1636358001\" user_id=\"124401:

sevenseals\" post_id=\"2045130\" time=\"1636168040\" user_id=\"124401:

doctors suffer emotional pain when they see their patients die in their watch,
especially if they know there is a cure in other countries but is not accessible here.

Some of the doctors resign because they see so many deaths still 17 per day and cannot do anything about it other than just giving panadol, oxygen, which are not treatments at all. Even the steroids given are very weak. What happen to the Regeneron announced in Sept that it would be available in Oct.

They were thinking why would they need doctors just to see patients die, paramedics can do the job. A doctor should be given leeway to administer medicines (which are available elsewhere, but not allowed in sg), otherwise they feel the blood of the dead on their hands.

First of all, is this just an anecdote or do you have a first hand account of doctors who actually resign because your said reason? Because what you just said is really tantamount to putting words in these doctors' mouths.

I can't believe you are suggesting that doctors should be allowed to circumvent proper medical protocol and administer unapproved medicine just to obey their conscience. In fact, one of the reasons the medical care over here is world class is because it is heavily regulated to prevent rogue treatments that might have adverse consequences. Yes, you might argue that medicine like Ivermectin might have some anecdotal success in countries such as India. But medicine cannot be approved for professional medical use based on anecdotal evidence, they have proper clinical trials that often take years to conduct. This Covid pandemic is unprecedented, it is the only reason why the process to research and approve new anti-Covid drugs are accelerated.

[Liew Nga Wing]

Dreamaurora\" post_id=\"2045472\" time=\"1636382461\" user_id=\"38907:

sevenseals\" post_id=\"2045418\" time=\"1636358001\" user_id=\"124401:

[quote=sevenseals post_id=2045130 time=1636168040 user_id=124401]doctors suffer emotional pain when they see their patients die in their watch,
especially if they know there is a cure in other countries but is not accessible here.

Some of the doctors resign because they see so many deaths still 17 per day and cannot do anything about it other than just giving panadol, oxygen, which are not treatments at all. Even the steroids given are very weak. What happen to the Regeneron announced in Sept that it would be available in Oct.

They were thinking why would they need doctors just to see patients die, paramedics can do the job. A doctor should be given leeway to administer medicines (which are available elsewhere, but not allowed in sg), otherwise they feel the blood of the dead on their hands.

First of all, is this just an anecdote or do you have a first hand account of doctors who actually resign because your said reason? Because what you just said is really tantamount to putting words in these doctors' mouths.

I can't believe you are suggesting that doctors should be allowed to circumvent proper medical protocol and administer unapproved medicine just to obey their conscience. In fact, one of the reasons the medical care over here is world class is because it is heavily regulated to prevent rogue treatments that might have adverse consequences. Yes, you might argue that medicine like Ivermectin might have some anecdotal success in countries such as India. But medicine cannot be approved for professional medical use based on anecdotal evidence, they have proper clinical trials that often take years to conduct. This Covid pandemic is unprecedented, it is the only reason why the process to research and approve new anti-Covid drugs are accelerated.[/quote]Different Doctors may have their own thinking ad we cannot say....no doctor has resigned due to the reason she stated early.

She just wants to suggest whether the Government can consider more type of medicine to be used for tackling Covid 19.