Corona Virus Disease (COVID-19) Updates

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Liew Nga Wing\" post_id=\"2045641\" time=\"1636475393\" user_id=\"195250:[quote=\"Liew Nga Wing\" post_id=2045641 time=1636475393 user_id=195250]
My German friend who has been working in Singapore for 3 years, went back to Germany last week, if the EU just say Singapore is now banned, then how could my German friend return home?

There are many people travelling between Singapore and EU countries every day and therefore cannot just say \"Banned\".[/quote]

:? \"banned\"?

Did you read the recommendations or travel advisory put up by the European Union Council at all? It's a mere reminder to their own citizens planning to head to certain countries to exercise caution, but it doesn't ban them from going over. Even socialist state China cannot ban its citizens from flying out, unless they live in some hotspots where infected cases are already detected.

Your German friend can surely return to SG, because so long as ICA/our side adopts a unilateral ''open-leg'' policy (i.e. 48hr PDT ART + on-arrival PCR), he can still return here to work, with little restrictions.

But if he wishes to return to Germany again a few months later say next year, ah, I guess he like all SG VTLs/biz travellers would have to monitor the German border restrictions closely. If not he could always transit through another ''less strict'' Schengen country/the UK/Switzerland/Liechtenstein/Norway/Iceland to go home.

[Liew Nga Wing]

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Liew Nga Wing\" post_id=\"2045641\" time=\"1636475393\" user_id=\"195250:[quote=\"Liew Nga Wing\" post_id=2045641 time=1636475393 user_id=195250]My German friend who has been working in Singapore for 3 years, went back to Germany last week, if the EU just say Singapore is now banned, then how could my German friend return home?

There are many people travelling between Singapore and EU countries every day and therefore cannot just say \"Banned\".

:? \"banned\"?

Did you read the recommendations or travel advisory put up by the European Union Council at all? It's a mere reminder to their own citizens planning to head to certain countries to exercise caution, but it doesn't ban them from going over. Even socialist state China cannot ban its citizens from flying out, unless they live in some hotspots where infected cases are already detected.

Your German friend can surely return to SG, because so long as ICA/our side adopts a unilateral ''open-leg'' policy (i.e. 48hr PDT ART + on-arrival PCR), he can still return here to work, with little restrictions.

But if he wishes to return to Germany again a few months later say next year, ah, I guess he like all SG VTLs/biz travellers would have to monitor the German border restrictions closely. If not he could always transit through another ''less strict'' Schengen country/the UK/Switzerland/Liechtenstein/Norway/Iceland to go home.[/quote]

You misunderstand my post. I was replying to ChiefKaisu's post dated 09 Nov 2021 11:27pm as below.
The word \"Banned\" was suggested by ChiefKaisu not me.

Re: Corona Virus Disease (COVID-19) Updates
Post by ChiefKiasu » Tue Nov 09, 2021 11:27 pm
Lol. I read until I got cross-eyed. Talk about double negatives. Why don't they just say Singapore is now banned from EU? Easier, right?

[MrsKiasu]

Poor lions joining we all now…

[doodbug]

Aiyoh, will there be some mutant Covid strain huh…pass from human to animals to humans…

[ChiefKiasu]

MrsKiasu\" post_id=\"2045805\" time=\"1636600322\" user_id=\"43981:

Poor lions joining we all now..

So lions will sniffle too? What are the symptoms? I'll bet it's nothing to them.

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MrsKiasu\" post_id=\"2045805\" time=\"1636600322\" user_id=\"43981:

Poor lions joining we all now..

So lions will sniffle too? What are the symptoms? I'll bet it's nothing to them.

To them is nothing. Worst scenario would be like what the Chinese did to the infected domestic cats. The main concern is covid can cross species very easily opening up more chances to pickup new adaptations.... that makes them more deadly and effective infecting humans. In layman terms, expect this drag into decades and possibly mandatory cyclical 6-12mths vaccinations.

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ChiefKS's point was the new recommendations are as good as saying outbound VTLs from SIN are now being banned from entering EU, but Liew's e.g. of that German friend which suggested he could be banned by his govt/disembarkation point to get on SIN-bound flights was not correct. As of now, he won't.


Germany may or may not impose PCR or ART on inbound visitors in the coming weeks as they are entering a 5th wave, but no one knows for sure. So far they have only mentioned 5 days isolation for unvaccinated kids. However, Netherlands has introduced PDTs: 48h PCR or 24h ART for inbound visitors regardless of one's vac status. Italy and ROK have all the while included PDTs for entry.

It's interesting that the council wrote, \"The criteria to determine the third countries for which the current travel restriction should be lifted were updated on 20 May 2021. They cover the epidemiological situation and overall response to COVID-19, as well as the reliability of the available information and data sources. Reciprocity should also be taken into account on a case by case basis.\"

I've always found our ''uniquely Singapore'' way of presenting our infection rate questionable (using ratio of past week's nos vs the week before's). It looks good on paper now - 0.82, 0.88, etc all below 1.0. But is it reliable in the eyes of the Europeans?

Perhaps the MTF needed some form of unorthodox mathematical justification to relax the 2pax dine-in restrictions and to include 3 more VTLs. If they'd relied on R effective no, which the rest of the academic world and developed health jurisdictions have, the public might ask why didn't you stooges reopen earlier as we've had a similar R no. range for weeks and months ago.

As of now, Germany's R is 1.18, France 1.17, Italy 1.17, Denmark 1.19, Netherlands 1.23, Spain 1.16, Switzerland 1.22.
No wonder they look at our 自嗨自爽自欺欺人 ''0.8x'' with curiosity. Even lions can be infected in the Lion City. :slapshead:

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MrsKiasu\" post_id=\"2045687\" time=\"1636514597\" user_id=\"43981:

Dd2 asked me how they test the lions..I say don't know maybe jab let them sleep then swab?

So isolate for 72hrs then ART test if -ve can go back to work?

I read that it is from the lions’ faecal matter.

[Estéema]

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MrsKiasu\" post_id=\"2045805\" time=\"1636600322\" user_id=\"43981:

Poor lions joining we all now..

So lions will sniffle too? What are the symptoms? I'll bet it's nothing to them.

Transmission fr animals to humans reported to be very low chance. 5 animals quarantined under The World Health Organisation for Animal Health advisory.


Fifth lion in Singapore tests positive for Covid-19
https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/lion-at-singapore-zoo-tests-positive-for-covid-19

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Now sure what the survival rate for these animals is if they catch covid. They will most likely die?