* Nanyang JC (NYJC)

[qms]

CCK2008\" post_id=\"2055731\" time=\"1642144507\" user_id=\"26004:

Correct, NJC only gives 2 points for HCL, raw score better than 9 points. 10 points raw score cannot go NJC.

Provided the student doesn't have CCA bonus points, too.

[CCK2008]

bbbay\" post_id=\"2055732\" time=\"1642144786\" user_id=\"175278:

What I see is not this case. Not all the top scoring students will chose RI/HCI. The 266 and 265 from my child primary school went to Dunman high, not RI/HCI. So top 3% student are present in other school too.

Agreed, just that their COP is always close to 260, so most of their students are in top 3%. Definitely some went to other top 10% IP schools.

[bbbay]

CCK2008\" post_id=\"2055734\" time=\"1642145119\" user_id=\"26004:

Agreed, just that their COP is always close to 260, so most of their students are in top 3%. Definitely some went to other top 10% IP schools.

Tying back to the initial discussion of you prefer NJC/VJ to NYJC because NYJC student getting some help from affiliation bonus point thus the true academic strength is not what it seem. I have this observation to share too: A few 26x from my child primary school went to Chung Cheng high main. If they proceed to NYJC, then NYJC would have RI/HCI caliber students too.

My child is from a below average primary school. If it is producing examples of RI/HCI are not getting all the top students at S1 and JAE, I think most primary schools will also have such cases too.

I do agree RI/HCI will get alot of the top students. But cannot be no other school come close

[CCK2008]

bbbay\" post_id=\"2055741\" time=\"1642147021\" user_id=\"175278:

Tying back to the initial discussion of you prefer NJC/VJ to NYJC because NYJC student getting some help from affiliation bonus point thus the true academic strength is not what it seem. I have this observation to share too: A few 26x from my child primary school went to Chung Cheng high main. If they proceed to NYJC, then NYJC would have RI/HCI caliber students too.

My child is from a below average primary school. If it is producing examples of RI/HCI are not getting all the top students at S1 and JAE, I think most primary schools will also have such cases too.

I do agree RI/HCI will get alot of the top students. But cannot be no other school come close

Yes, that is why I am not comparing RI/HCI to NYJC. RI/HCI are in another league. More like NJC/VJC and NYJC.

[bbbay]

CCK2008\" post_id=\"2055744\" time=\"1642148059\" user_id=\"26004:

Yes, that is why I am not comparing RI/HCI to NYJC. RI/HCI are in another league. More like NJC/VJC and NYJC.

I think when RI/HCI get more of the top students than other schools , that doesn’t make them in a different league. If that is the case, every subsequent school next in rank will be in a league of their own because they will each get more better score students than the next school ranked below them.

And also other schools are also getting :grphug: RI/HCI caliber students, like a good likelihood in my NYJC example :rahrah:

So I think RI/HCI is not in another league lah. And I think you can proceed to compare RI/HCI with NYJC and still prefer RI/HCI becuase their COP is lower :salute:

[phtthp]

got (40 to 50) % of

JAE graduates from the two combined schools :- Chung Cheng High (Main and Yishun), go back to Nanyang Junior College for A-level, under affliation ?

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phtthp\" post_id=\"2057771\" time=\"1644152757\" user_id=\"35251:

got (40 to 50) % of
JAE graduates from the two combined schools :- Chung Cheng High (Main and Yishun), go back to Nanyang Junior College for A-level, under affliation ?

No.

[bbbay]

phtthp\" post_id=\"2057771\" time=\"1644152757\" user_id=\"35251:

got (40 to 50) % of
JAE graduates from the two combined schools :- Chung Cheng High (Main and Yishun), go back to Nanyang Junior College for A-level, under affliation ?

This is on CCHM. And including CCA point, maximum 4 bonus point deduction allowed. It seem like most students will get 2 CCA points.

HCL allows the students 2 bonus point reduction for any JC. They do not need the 2 point from NYJC affiliation. So don’t think NYJC is the natural choice for the CCHM students. NYJC COP is only 1 point more than RI/HCI. There isn’t a big gap. For those qualify for NYJC, I believed many would qualify for RI/HCI too. Those good performers aspiring to go to top schools, they could readily choose RI/HCI instead of NYJC.

For those students couldn’t continue take HCL in Sec 4, or 1 CCA point, they will need the 2 NYJC affiliation points. But don’t know the size of this group.

[SG_KP1]

I don’t think anyone (external) has all of the information needed to assess how affiliation has impacted the COP. Based on what I can find about cohort sizes, it seems unlikely that NYJC is only or mainly kids from the affiliated schools. I.e. the science COP of 5 is not just affiliated 9 - 4 kids. It would include many other non-affiliated 9 - 4 kids or it could be non-affiliated 8 - 3 kids / 7 - 2 kids (based on the tiebreakers, the second group here will have priority or the affiliated 9 - 4 kids).


That being said, my impression was that it is not "simple" to get 4 points deduction from HMT/CCA. For the lower (better) scorers, there will be some bias towards HMT and 2 points deduction there. CCHY’s Higher MT takeup rate is probably higher than the national average (~1/3 of students +/-) but may be noticeably lower than CCHM’s rate? However, I did not think it was easy for ALL students to get 2 points CCA deduction, so there is probably some portion (not all) of the affiliated students that have picked up an extra point or two vs non-affiliated kids (but again, the non-affiliated kids with a lower gross will have the tiebreaker advantage).

Regardless, like I said elsewhere what any individual student does (academics and non-academics) is much more important than School A or School B. The rise (in terms of COP) is impressive and if more and more top scoring kids want to go there that is great and I am sure they will do well (and could have done well elsewhere too).

[Kimkar]

The drop in Sc COP to 5 this year for NYJC could be due to influx of 4 netters who failed to get into RI and HCI. My DS is one or them. She told me there is a school mate with gross 6 and net 4 L1R5 who fails to get into RI. So 6 gross net 4 could be the level of balloting at RI this year. The rejected ones are likely to flow into NYJC (most of her friends and her). This could be one possibility, if considering gross 6 to be the cutoff for balloting at RI.