DSA 2022
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bammama\" post_id=\"2071912\" time=\"1656295781\" user_id=\"198444:
Yah, especially IP, where the students cannot \"bailout\" during sec 4...but not sure how some of DS1 classmate managed to go Poly and overseas.
Hmmm I guess in conclusion,
- if the student doesn't meet the 'baseline' academic requirements for the school, the students chances will be very low. Regardless of his achievements. Esp for the elite schools. Cos the student may end up struggling to keep up with the curriculum in the school if selected.
Am I right? -
Daddy with one son\" post_id=\"2071913\" time=\"1656295946\" user_id=\"102861:[quote=\"Daddy with one son\" post_id=2071913 time=1656295946 user_id=102861]
DSA baseline
The follow question is… what is the baseline of each school? Maybe 3-4 AL above their PSLE AL cut off?[/quote]
If is IP school :-
( 2 to 3 ) points, away from PSLE AL Cut off point, for that DSA school applied for. The more \"atas\" the IP school is, the stricter they are.
They will study your (past years' Report card results, the standard of your primary school which u come from), and gauge (estimate) from there, what your projected actual AL PSLE score, likely to be.
If is O-level school :-
can exceed 2 points, from that DSA school's PSLE AL Cut off point. -
Technospaz\" post_id=\"2071904\" time=\"1656293335\" user_id=\"135989:
Speaking specifically for SJI Visual Arts, my son neither has fantastic academic results nor any training in those Art enrichment schools. Yet we received the email invite to submit his Art portfolio. Thus I am extremely grateful that they gave him a chance at all. Will see if they cut him off at this point due to poorer calibre of artwork compared to the highly experienced ones, but any further chance (for interview) will be a bonus not a given. I told him to just continue revising and assume nothing else.
This is my first time on the merry-go-round so I may be mistaken. I believe that most schools will assess the student's academic results first as part of the initial shortlist. I suspect that the schools know what their DSA cut-off AL score is like and if the student is unlikely to meet that score (based on P5 YE and P6 MY results), then the student is less likely to be shortlisted regardless of their talent.
This is also because there is not much else that the schools can go on since the initial DSA submission (which has the 10 entries for achievements) is quite basic and unverified (unlike academic results which are in the MOE system and verifiable). This is not to say that the talent achievements etc. are disregarded but rather that the first round of shortlisting is likely based more on academic performance.
My 2c. -
Daddy with one son\" post_id=\"2071913\" time=\"1656295946\" user_id=\"102861:[quote=\"Daddy with one son\" post_id=2071913 time=1656295946 user_id=102861]
Its difficult to quantify. I have been trying to figure out how DS1 got in by Maths domain after all these years. He was even in the MO committee and I keep asking how, what, who interview etc. I still not satisfied and convinced myself. All I can say in short summary is that the interview matters, and how the kids project themselves and give an impression to the interviewers. BTW, DS1 real PSLE is a bit lower then DS2. But my credit goes to the interviewers, whoever they are, DS1 more then survived, he did very well in that environment.
The follow question is… what is the baseline of each school? Maybe 3-4 AL above their PSLE AL cut off?[/quote] -
alie\" post_id=\"2071917\" time=\"1656296339\" user_id=\"39795:
You mentioned that your DS1 is JC1 (A level), this year (2022) ?
Its difficult to quantify. I have been trying to figure out how DS1 got in by Maths domain after all these years. He was even in the MO committee and I keep asking how, what, who interview etc. I still not satisfied and convinced myself. All I can say in short summary is that the interview matters, and how the kids project themselves and give an impression to the interviewers. BTW, DS1 real PSLE is a bit lower then DS2. But my credit goes to the interviewers, whoever they are, DS1 more then survived, he did very well in that environment.
That means, your son sat for his PSLE in year 2017 (born in year 2005), which fall under Tscore back then, not AL score system.
That is a difference,
in terms of DSA baseline -
between accepting candidates falling under (historial Tscore vs. current AL score) marking system. -
Technospaz\" post_id=\"2071904\" time=\"1656293335\" user_id=\"135989:
On the contrary, academic is not the priority in the first round, achievements in the talent area are. Achievements are actually quite verifiable - sports have competitions, performing arts have grading / public performances etc. Hence, schools who are on the look out or who are aggressive to attract the top talents in their respective field will likely send out the invitation to DSA, regardless of the talent's actual academic results.
This is my first time on the merry-go-round so I may be mistaken. I believe that most schools will assess the student's academic results first as part of the initial shortlist. I suspect that the schools know what their DSA cut-off AL score is like and if the student is unlikely to meet that score (based on P5 YE and P6 MY results), then the student is less likely to be shortlisted regardless of their talent.
This is also because there is not much else that the schools can go on since the initial DSA submission (which has the 10 entries for achievements) is quite basic and unverified (unlike academic results which are in the MOE system and verifiable). This is not to say that the talent achievements etc. are disregarded but rather that the first round of shortlisting is likely based more on academic performance.
My 2c.
In the second stage, the panelists / interviewers / selectors will look at their suitability, i.e. fit and also their academic ability to cope with the stream (Express or IP). Doesn't have to be excellent, and may even fall below the COP, but will need to at least cope with the selected stream. My guess is at least AL15 and better but probably will need more info / updates given the baseline for AL hasn't been established (in the past, T-score 230+ will suffice). -
alie\" post_id=\"2071914\" time=\"1656296027\" user_id=\"39795:
You can leave the IP at the end of Year 4 to go Poly and overseas.
Yah, especially IP, where the students cannot \"bailout\" during sec 4...but not sure how some of DS1 classmate managed to go Poly and overseas.
From the Poly:
Students from Integrated Programme (IP) in Singapore may apply for admission through the following admission exercise:
Direct Admissions Exercise (DAE):
Applicants who have completed Year 4 of the Integrated Programme (IP) in Singapore may apply through DAE. -
alie\" post_id=\"2071914\" time=\"1656296027\" user_id=\"39795:
your DS1 classmates just used their IP report card results, from (Year 1 to Year 4),
Yah, especially IP, where the students cannot \"bailout\" during sec 4...but not sure how some of DS1 classmate managed to go Poly and overseas.
to apply to (Polytechnic locally or to some bridging overseas university program), and continued with their Higher education. Some of these IP students may also have taken some GCE O level \"equivalent type of\" National exam, as a private candidate, in certain core important subjects. They are aware that as a full-time registered \"IP\" student in schools, they are barred from registering as a private candidate, in our MOE-SEAB conducted GCE \"O\" level exam. Even if they attempt to, they will be \"thrown out\", during registration time, as a private candidate, because their name & birth cert number / NRIC will be counter checked, verified against MOE computer, identified from which \"IP\" school they come from. -
bammama\" post_id=\"2071903\" time=\"1656292865\" user_id=\"198444:
Have to keep in mind that once your child gets into desired school, the highly academic culture may not suit your child if they are not able to keep up. Let’s say your child DSA Badminton. They will be devoting ALOT of time to training. And takes away from ability to keep up with classmates who got into school via PSLE mark who will likely be more suited academically.
Thank you for the fast reply! I was just wondering out loud becos I was reading the past years DSA threads and got confused. Sounds like the schools value academic results over the talent areas. Made me question the point of DSA. If the schools still emphasize on good academic results before shortlisting. 😅
Often the sports DSA kids in schools like Dunman or NYGH (and other schools like this) for example suffer from poor mental health and loss of confidence, as no matter how hard they try, they can’t keep up academically. Especially when so much time is devoted to training.
Have to ask yourself if that is truly what you want for your child when choosing the school. They firstly need to truly love what they are choosing to commit to for their DSA talent and the school chosen should suit the realistic academic potential of the child. Not the “idealistic” potential of the child. Only a parent will truly know this.
The school itself will naturally try and strike a balance between DSA talent and potential for academics otherwise the student may try and find a way to drop out anyway cos can’t cope academically or worse still have mental issues from the academic pressure and they have no way out cos they are forced to continue due to DSA contract etc. There are many cases like this. It can honestly be soul destroying for these kids that can’t keep up. And it’s not because they don’t have any academic value but it’s simply because the “elite” school that the child is in has attracted an entire cohort of academically strong kids. So anything less than outstanding is framed as failure.
Be careful what you wish for…”success” imho is a happy and contented child. -
phtthp\" post_id=\"2071931\" time=\"1656297659\" user_id=\"35251:
I see thanks
your DS1 classmates just used their IP report card results, from (Year 1 to Year 4),
to apply to (Polytechnic locally or to some bridging overseas university program), and continued with their Higher education. Some of these IP students may also have taken some GCE O level \"equivalent type of\" National exam, as a private candidate, in certain core important subjects. They are aware that as a full-time registered \"IP\" student in schools, they are barred from registering as a private candidate, in our MOE-SEAB conducted GCE \"O\" level exam.
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