* Nanyang JC (NYJC)
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lee_yl\" post_id=\"2077382\" time=\"1659675575\" user_id=\"17023:
Nyjc pushes for 3H2.
Earlier someone mentioned that NYJC pushes for 3H2 while the students at top JCs are doing 4H2 and even H3 papers. Then in this case, could it be that not many NYJC students do H3 to compete for the scholarships?
Another reason I could think of is the interviewing skills, or lack of, the students displayed in front of the selection panel. Between a confident candidate who could articulate well and engage with the panel and another who hesitated and only responded passively to questions from the panel, the choice is obvious.
Even RVHS also can produce 6 top tier scholars, and considering that the COP of RVHS is lower than NYJC’s, NYJC should review its strategy going forward.
U know who? Dont think u have concrete proof.
Nobody dares to commit this sentence unless have exact figures.
RVHS is IP JC while NY isnt.
U know the number of IP or JAE from RVHS Scholar applicants? Dont think u know or anyone.
There goes for the rest of IP JCs applicants.
Then we cant judge accurately.
But for sure YES with NY lower COP, it produces far better A level results than RVHS.
Thats already justifiable and becoming top few JC.
Dont worry, Ny is always reviewing its teaching strategies , thats why its improving always. -
lee_yl\" post_id=\"2077382\" time=\"1659675575\" user_id=\"17023:
NYJC is not an IP JC.
Earlier someone mentioned that NYJC pushes for 3H2 while the students at top JCs are doing 4H2 and even H3 papers. Then in this case, could it be that not many NYJC students do H3 to compete for the scholarships?
Another reason I could think of is the interviewing skills, or lack of, the students displayed in front of the selection panel. Between a confident candidate who could articulate well and engage with the panel and another who hesitated and only responded passively to questions from the panel, the choice is obvious.
Even RVHS also can produce 6 top tier scholars, and considering that the COP of RVHS is lower than NYJC’s, NYJC should review its strategy going forward.
actually, if Nanyang Junior College has the intention to become like Hwa Chong Junior College or RI, then I think
the school management inside NYJC has to be more hardworking lah, in terms of establishing greater rapport with overseas universities, to bring up NYJC image.
Are you aware that those senior management & some senior lecturers inside (RI / Hwa Chong), have got very good connection (\"guan xi\"), with some of the more famous & popular overseas universities established abroad ? -
Yuppidiyupp\" post_id=\"2077394\" time=\"1659681065\" user_id=\"197060:
Yes
RVHS is IP JC while NY isnt.
U know the number of IP or JAE from RVHS Scholar applicants? Dont think u know or anyone.
There goes for the rest of IP JCs applicants.
Then we cant judge accurately.
But for sure YES with NY lower COP, it produces far better A level results than RVHS. Thats already justifiable.
Dont worry, Ny is always reviewing its teaching strategies , thats why its improving always.
One must be fair, to Nanyang JC.
We need data, from
IP-JCs (RI, Hwa Chong, EJC, VJC, NJC, TJC, RVH, DH),
find out amongst all their scholars :-
a) how many of these scholars,
are from the (IP track vs. O-level track) ?
Then, compare their number of O-level scholars vs. NYJC scholars.
Apple to apple comparison, then is fair !
Why, so ?
Because the curriculum track opportunities of exposure for IP students for past 4 solid years, from Sec 1 to Sec 4
Are so vastly different,
From that of the O-level track candidates.
While all the Upper Sec 3 and 4 O-level candidates are so busy preparing for O level National exam, All the IP students don't have this burden. Of course, the IP students got plenty of time, to work on their own individual projects to prepare for scholarship portfolio submission, or whatever.
b) How many of these scholars, are from the GEP vs. Non-GEP, in Lower Secondary (1 and 2), before ?
Only when you have all these nitty gritty derailed breakdown info, then u can start to compare. Otherwise, not fair to Nanyang JC.
Remember -
Don't look at the final numbers only. Along the journey, the process, what is involved ?
What are the differences, in the process inside the curriculum, between IP track vs O level track?
If really want to compare, then we should compare NYJC, to rest of the Non IP JCs (ACJC, SAJC, ASRJC, YIJC, JPJC, TMJC) -
phtthp\" post_id=\"2077397\" time=\"1659681616\" user_id=\"35251:
If there’s a need to differentiate whether one’s from IP or O-levels, or whether one’s from GEP or mainstream, then there’s tacit recognition that one is inferior to the other. Is an O-level student destined to lose out to an IP student or a mainstream pupil to a gepper?
Yes
One must be fair, to Nanyang JC.
We need data, from
IP-JCs (RI, Hwa Chong, EJC, VJC, NJC, TJC, RVH, DH),
find out amongst all their scholars :-
a) how many of these scholars,
are from the (IP track vs. O-level track) ?
Then, compare their number of O-level scholars vs. NYJC scholars.
Apple to apple comparison, then is fair !
Why, so ?
Because the curriculum track opportunities of exposure for IP students for past 4 solid years, from Sec 1 to Sec 4
Are so vastly different,
From that of the O-level track candidates.
While all the Upper Sec 3 and 4 O-level candidates are so busy preparing for O level National exam, All the IP students don't have this burden. Of course, the IP students got plenty of time, to work on their own individual projects to prepare for scholarship portfolio submission, or whatever.
b) How many of these scholars, are from the GEP vs. Non-GEP, in Lower Secondary (1 and 2), before ?
Only when you have all these nitty gritty derailed breakdown info, then u can start to compare. Otherwise, not fair to Nanyang JC.
Remember -
Don't look at the final numbers only. Along the journey, the process, what is involved ?
What are the differences, in the process inside the curriculum, between IP track vs O level track?
If really want to compare, then we should compare NYJC, to rest of the Non IP JCs (ACJC, SAJC, ASRJC, YIJC, JPJC, TMJC)
I do not believe so as I think hard work and motivation can help overcome these hurdles.
What I fear is that while NYJC has done decently well in one metric (UAS), it has not done as well in another metric (top-tier scholarship awardees) and instead of devising new strategies to improve the latter, it only wants to stick to the former given that the strategies are tried and tested. That’s how one will start to lose the growth mindset and the competitive edge. -
phtthp\" post_id=\"2077395\" time=\"1659681080\" user_id=\"35251:
The 2 schools bother to groom good students that get into these top overseas universities and the 2 schools’ management took the trouble to cultivate strong relationship.
NYJC is not an IP JC.
actually, if Nanyang Junior College has the intention to become like Hwa Chong Junior College or RI, then I think
the school management inside NYJC has to be more hardworking lah, in terms of establishing greater rapport with overseas universities, to bring up NYJC image.
Are you aware that those senior management & some senior lecturers inside (RI / Hwa Chong), have got very good connection (\"guan xi\"), with some of the more famous & popular overseas universities established abroad ?
If NYJC has students who go to these top overseas universities regularly, NYJC could also build up a strong relationship (or guan xi) -
phtthp\" post_id=\"2077397\" time=\"1659681616\" user_id=\"35251:
Well said.
Yes
One must be fair, to Nanyang JC.
We need data, from
IP-JCs (RI, Hwa Chong, EJC, VJC, NJC, TJC, RVH, DH),
find out amongst all their scholars :-
a) how many of these scholars,
are from the (IP track vs. O-level track) ?
Then, compare their number of O-level scholars vs. NYJC scholars.
Apple to apple comparison, then is fair !
Why, so ?
Because the curriculum track opportunities of exposure for IP students for past 4 solid years, from Sec 1 to Sec 4
Are so vastly different,
From that of the O-level track candidates.
While all the Upper Sec 3 and 4 O-level candidates are so busy preparing for O level National exam, All the IP students don't have this burden. Of course, the IP students got plenty of time, to work on their own individual projects to prepare for scholarship portfolio submission, or whatever.
b) How many of these scholars, are from the GEP vs. Non-GEP, in Lower Secondary (1 and 2), before ?
Only when you have all these nitty gritty derailed breakdown info, then u can start to compare. Otherwise, not fair to Nanyang JC.
Remember -
Don't look at the final numbers only. Along the journey, the process, what is involved ?
What are the differences, in the process inside the curriculum, between IP track vs O level track?
If really want to compare, then we should compare NYJC, to rest of the Non IP JCs (ACJC, SAJC, ASRJC, YIJC, JPJC, TMJC)
But sadly, there are the usual suspects who just so jealous of Ny.
They cant see the picture IP have more flexible Prog and Exposures in their Sec levels to pre them for scholarship portfolio submission, or whatever.
In other words, Obsession leads them to loose their logic thinking. -
lee_yl\" post_id=\"2077400\" time=\"1659684008\" user_id=\"17023:
Why MOE starts IP Schs?
If there’s a need to differentiate whether one’s from IP or O-levels, or whether one’s from GEP or mainstream, then there’s tacit recognition that one is inferior to the other. Is an O-level student destined to lose out to an IP student or a mainstream pupil to a gepper?
I do not believe so as I think hard work and motivation can help overcome these hurdles.
What I fear is that while NYJC has done decently well in one metric (UAS), it has not done as well in another metric (top-tier scholarship awardees) and instead of devising new strategies to improve the latter, it only wants to stick to the former given that the strategies are tried and tested. That’s how one will start to lose the growth mindset and the competitive edge.
Cause IP kids are free from structured year end exams, less focused on textbk syllabus.
IP kids are pre Project Works/Research Prog/Public Speaking Proficiency skills/Frequent Overseas Trips(pre covid) etc.
See the exposures and differences, hor.
But guess u dont see or choose to ignore.
So we need to differentiate IP and JAE.
Its not abt one is inferior to the other.
You cant compare IP with JAE w/out knowing how IP or JAE apply for Scholarship.
Then u ask MOE why have different programmes IP?
There must be a purpose- to groom Scholarship awardees and get them serve in Gov sectors, if they wish to.
You are concerned Ny will start to lose the growth mindset and the competitive edge, that u dont worry.
U shd be concerned EJC dipping Econs A results or overall result. -
Yuppidiyupp\" post_id=\"2077413\" time=\"1659687762\" user_id=\"197060:
Haha, the way you put it, IP indeed sounds superior.
Why MOE starts IP Schs?
Cause IP kids are free from structured year end exams, less focused on textbk syllabus.
IP kids are pre Project Works/Research Prog/Public Speaking Proficiency skills/Frequent Overseas Trips(pre covid) etc.
See the exposures and differences, hor.
But guess u dont see or choose to ignore.
So we need to differentiate IP and JAE.
Its not abt one is inferior to the other.
You cant compare IP with JAE w/out knowing how IP or JAE apply for Scholarship.
Then u ask MOE why have different programmes IP?
There must be a purpose- to groom Scholarship awardees and get them serve in Gov sectors, if they wish to.
You are concerned Ny will start to lose the growth mindset and the competitive edge, that u dont worry.
U shd be concerned EJC dipping Econs A results or overall result.
Interviewing skills (for scholarships or jobs) can be learnt or picked up along the way. Oh.. If an O-level student chooses to go RI, maybe he will become more confident and articulate when the peers he mixed with are like that?
I have seen mainstream students outshine GEP students. I have also seen O-level JAE outshine IP students. It is up to the individual whether they want to confine themselves or ambitious enough to want to do better than others.
If one chooses to only restrict oneself with the mindset that since I am not from IP, I cannot compete, it will be a self-fulfilling prophecy and will restrict one’s growth and development. It could perhaps explain why despite having sterling O-level results, some students are underrepresented among the top tier scholarship awardees. -
Anyway, to all the Nanyang JC students here,
don’t be so up tight about which is the 3rd or 4th or 5th JC, in Singapore. Why ?
Because
every few years, the situation may change, so on & so forth …
Also, once u step into the working world, nobody is going to ask you, "so, which JC, you come from ? " Perhaps, during your very 1st job interview, interviewers may ask, especially if u are a fresh graduate, from university. But subsequently next time, each time whenever u change job, change company 2x, 3x, 4x, 5x or change career, people won’t ask u anymore.
They will only ask u one key question, "From your current or from your previously resigned job, what relevant skill set, can u contribute to our organization ? "
Or
" Why should we hire u, out of so many job applicants, who have applied to our company ? We are in no lack of applicants … "
As u look back, all these not important anymore. Which (Secondary school or JC) u ever attended before, they merely become dim memories, in your past journey. -
phtthp\" post_id=\"2077510\" time=\"1659767935\" user_id=\"35251:
Perhaps redirect this advice to lee_ly and her counterparts i/d- they are so ever jealous of Nyjc climbing up the rank to few top 3 JC
Anyway, to all the Nanyang JC students here,
don't be so up tight about which is the 3rd or 4th or 5th JC, in Singapore. Why ?
Because
every few years, the situation may change, so on & so forth ....
Also, once u step into the working world, nobody is going to ask you, \"so, which JC, you come from ? \" Perhaps, during your very 1st job interview, interviewers may ask, especially if u are a fresh graduate, from university. But subsequently next time, each time whenever u change job, change company 2x, 3x, 4x, 5x or change career, people won't ask u anymore.
They will only ask u one key question, \"From your current or from your previously resigned job, what relevant skill set, can u contribute to our organization ? \"
Or
\" Why should we hire u, out of so many job applicants, who have applied to our company ? We are in no lack of applicants ... \"
As u look back, all these not important anymore. Which (Secondary school or JC) u ever attended before, they merely become dim memories, in your past journey.
Also, not obsessed on Scholarship thingy😆
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