* Nanyang JC (NYJC)
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phtthp\" post_id=\"2077395\" time=\"1659681080\" user_id=\"35251:
The 2 schools bother to groom good students that get into these top overseas universities and the 2 schools’ management took the trouble to cultivate strong relationship.
NYJC is not an IP JC.
actually, if Nanyang Junior College has the intention to become like Hwa Chong Junior College or RI, then I think
the school management inside NYJC has to be more hardworking lah, in terms of establishing greater rapport with overseas universities, to bring up NYJC image.
Are you aware that those senior management & some senior lecturers inside (RI / Hwa Chong), have got very good connection (\"guan xi\"), with some of the more famous & popular overseas universities established abroad ?
If NYJC has students who go to these top overseas universities regularly, NYJC could also build up a strong relationship (or guan xi) -
phtthp\" post_id=\"2077397\" time=\"1659681616\" user_id=\"35251:
Well said.
Yes
One must be fair, to Nanyang JC.
We need data, from
IP-JCs (RI, Hwa Chong, EJC, VJC, NJC, TJC, RVH, DH),
find out amongst all their scholars :-
a) how many of these scholars,
are from the (IP track vs. O-level track) ?
Then, compare their number of O-level scholars vs. NYJC scholars.
Apple to apple comparison, then is fair !
Why, so ?
Because the curriculum track opportunities of exposure for IP students for past 4 solid years, from Sec 1 to Sec 4
Are so vastly different,
From that of the O-level track candidates.
While all the Upper Sec 3 and 4 O-level candidates are so busy preparing for O level National exam, All the IP students don't have this burden. Of course, the IP students got plenty of time, to work on their own individual projects to prepare for scholarship portfolio submission, or whatever.
b) How many of these scholars, are from the GEP vs. Non-GEP, in Lower Secondary (1 and 2), before ?
Only when you have all these nitty gritty derailed breakdown info, then u can start to compare. Otherwise, not fair to Nanyang JC.
Remember -
Don't look at the final numbers only. Along the journey, the process, what is involved ?
What are the differences, in the process inside the curriculum, between IP track vs O level track?
If really want to compare, then we should compare NYJC, to rest of the Non IP JCs (ACJC, SAJC, ASRJC, YIJC, JPJC, TMJC)
But sadly, there are the usual suspects who just so jealous of Ny.
They cant see the picture IP have more flexible Prog and Exposures in their Sec levels to pre them for scholarship portfolio submission, or whatever.
In other words, Obsession leads them to loose their logic thinking. -
lee_yl\" post_id=\"2077400\" time=\"1659684008\" user_id=\"17023:
Why MOE starts IP Schs?
If there’s a need to differentiate whether one’s from IP or O-levels, or whether one’s from GEP or mainstream, then there’s tacit recognition that one is inferior to the other. Is an O-level student destined to lose out to an IP student or a mainstream pupil to a gepper?
I do not believe so as I think hard work and motivation can help overcome these hurdles.
What I fear is that while NYJC has done decently well in one metric (UAS), it has not done as well in another metric (top-tier scholarship awardees) and instead of devising new strategies to improve the latter, it only wants to stick to the former given that the strategies are tried and tested. That’s how one will start to lose the growth mindset and the competitive edge.
Cause IP kids are free from structured year end exams, less focused on textbk syllabus.
IP kids are pre Project Works/Research Prog/Public Speaking Proficiency skills/Frequent Overseas Trips(pre covid) etc.
See the exposures and differences, hor.
But guess u dont see or choose to ignore.
So we need to differentiate IP and JAE.
Its not abt one is inferior to the other.
You cant compare IP with JAE w/out knowing how IP or JAE apply for Scholarship.
Then u ask MOE why have different programmes IP?
There must be a purpose- to groom Scholarship awardees and get them serve in Gov sectors, if they wish to.
You are concerned Ny will start to lose the growth mindset and the competitive edge, that u dont worry.
U shd be concerned EJC dipping Econs A results or overall result. -
Yuppidiyupp\" post_id=\"2077413\" time=\"1659687762\" user_id=\"197060:
Haha, the way you put it, IP indeed sounds superior.
Why MOE starts IP Schs?
Cause IP kids are free from structured year end exams, less focused on textbk syllabus.
IP kids are pre Project Works/Research Prog/Public Speaking Proficiency skills/Frequent Overseas Trips(pre covid) etc.
See the exposures and differences, hor.
But guess u dont see or choose to ignore.
So we need to differentiate IP and JAE.
Its not abt one is inferior to the other.
You cant compare IP with JAE w/out knowing how IP or JAE apply for Scholarship.
Then u ask MOE why have different programmes IP?
There must be a purpose- to groom Scholarship awardees and get them serve in Gov sectors, if they wish to.
You are concerned Ny will start to lose the growth mindset and the competitive edge, that u dont worry.
U shd be concerned EJC dipping Econs A results or overall result.
Interviewing skills (for scholarships or jobs) can be learnt or picked up along the way. Oh.. If an O-level student chooses to go RI, maybe he will become more confident and articulate when the peers he mixed with are like that?
I have seen mainstream students outshine GEP students. I have also seen O-level JAE outshine IP students. It is up to the individual whether they want to confine themselves or ambitious enough to want to do better than others.
If one chooses to only restrict oneself with the mindset that since I am not from IP, I cannot compete, it will be a self-fulfilling prophecy and will restrict one’s growth and development. It could perhaps explain why despite having sterling O-level results, some students are underrepresented among the top tier scholarship awardees. -
Anyway, to all the Nanyang JC students here,
don’t be so up tight about which is the 3rd or 4th or 5th JC, in Singapore. Why ?
Because
every few years, the situation may change, so on & so forth …
Also, once u step into the working world, nobody is going to ask you, "so, which JC, you come from ? " Perhaps, during your very 1st job interview, interviewers may ask, especially if u are a fresh graduate, from university. But subsequently next time, each time whenever u change job, change company 2x, 3x, 4x, 5x or change career, people won’t ask u anymore.
They will only ask u one key question, "From your current or from your previously resigned job, what relevant skill set, can u contribute to our organization ? "
Or
" Why should we hire u, out of so many job applicants, who have applied to our company ? We are in no lack of applicants … "
As u look back, all these not important anymore. Which (Secondary school or JC) u ever attended before, they merely become dim memories, in your past journey. -
phtthp\" post_id=\"2077510\" time=\"1659767935\" user_id=\"35251:
Perhaps redirect this advice to lee_ly and her counterparts i/d- they are so ever jealous of Nyjc climbing up the rank to few top 3 JC
Anyway, to all the Nanyang JC students here,
don't be so up tight about which is the 3rd or 4th or 5th JC, in Singapore. Why ?
Because
every few years, the situation may change, so on & so forth ....
Also, once u step into the working world, nobody is going to ask you, \"so, which JC, you come from ? \" Perhaps, during your very 1st job interview, interviewers may ask, especially if u are a fresh graduate, from university. But subsequently next time, each time whenever u change job, change company 2x, 3x, 4x, 5x or change career, people won't ask u anymore.
They will only ask u one key question, \"From your current or from your previously resigned job, what relevant skill set, can u contribute to our organization ? \"
Or
\" Why should we hire u, out of so many job applicants, who have applied to our company ? We are in no lack of applicants ... \"
As u look back, all these not important anymore. Which (Secondary school or JC) u ever attended before, they merely become dim memories, in your past journey.
Also, not obsessed on Scholarship thingy😆 -
phtthp\" post_id=\"2077510\" time=\"1659767935\" user_id=\"35251:
You will be quite surprised that employers do look at which schools you come from. It does make a difference.
Anyway, to all the Nanyang JC students here,
don't be so up tight about which is the 3rd or 4th or 5th JC, in Singapore. Why ?
Because
every few years, the situation may change, so on & so forth ....
Also, once u step into the working world, nobody is going to ask you, \"so, which JC, you come from ? \" Perhaps, during your very 1st job interview, interviewers may ask, especially if u are a fresh graduate, from university. But subsequently next time, each time whenever u change job, change company 2x, 3x, 4x, 5x or change career, people won't ask u anymore.
They will only ask u one key question, \"From your current or from your previously resigned job, what relevant skill set, can u contribute to our organization ? \"
Or
\" Why should we hire u, out of so many job applicants, who have applied to our company ? We are in no lack of applicants ... \"
As u look back, all these not important anymore. Which (Secondary school or JC) u ever attended before, they merely become dim memories, in your past journey.
If you don’t know the person, where do you take your reference from? Uni results, NS records (for guys) and the schools the person studied in.
For a routine worker bee role, of course not so critical lah. If for recruitment into management or leadership roles, if there’s a RI/ACSI candidate, charismatic, outstanding academic results and can articulate well, will the employers not be tempted? -
Not sure why as I don’t follow the conversations here, but I can’t help but feel that among all the JCs’ chat, we have the most concerned and traditional parents here, who may be seen (by readers) as being too entrenched in their thinking. Times have changed. Rather than looking at which school the job candidate came from, it will be more critical and practical to look at the candidates’ profile, including what roles he/she had during their student life + of cos what and how they did in their professional career. Unless I am part of the HR personnel or recruitment agency doing actual recruitment in the real world in today’s new economy, I will refrain from making comments like which type of profile a company is looking at for worker bee positions vs management or leadership roles.
As a parent, instead of telling my children which school is regarded as “better” or “guaranteed to open doors for me”, I will tell them to grasp whatever opportunity they can get, in whichever environment they end up in. Being in a brand name school does not open bigger doors for them, simply because each year there are so many graduates from each school, each with different strengths and personalities. In life, it is not about who completes a race first, but about who wins the last race…
For the parents who are speaking for this school, hope to hear more constructive information on how well the school is doing, and good factual examples on how their cohorts have fared. This will definitely help to win more students over, if that is the intention of sharing.
(Edited to add: To be clear - the information presented does seem rather lopsided and might achieve the opposite of the original intention. If only a couple of parents are overly interested in promoting the school, discerning parents might wonder what’s the real reason, and will discount whatever that is shared here. Take note I have no vested interest here.)
For parents who do not have any kids in this school or any biz whatsoever with this school - let’s be gracious and not degrade something that we don’t know enough about.
Have a good weekend all. :siam: -
lassie girl\" post_id=\"2077549\" time=\"1659788872\" user_id=\"35383:[quote=\"lassie girl\" post_id=2077549 time=1659788872 user_id=35383]
I am being constructive here by pointing out the area NYJC is weak in but some parents prefer to stick their heads in the sand.
Not sure why as I don’t follow the conversations here, but I can’t help but feel that among all the JCs’ chat, we have the most concerned and traditional parents here, who may be seen (by readers) as being too entrenched in their thinking. Times have changed. Rather than looking at which school the job candidate came from, it will be more critical and practical to look at the candidates’ profile, including what roles he/she had during their student life + of cos what and how they did in their professional career. Unless I am part of the HR personnel or recruitment agency doing actual recruitment in the real world in today’s new economy, I will refrain from making comments like which type of profile a company is looking at for worker bee positions vs management or leadership roles.
As a parent, instead of telling my children which school is regarded as “better” or “guaranteed to open doors for me”, I will tell them to grasp whatever opportunity they can get, in whichever environment they end up in. Being in a brand name school does not open bigger doors for them, simply because each year there are so many graduates from each school, each with different strengths and personalities. In life, it is not about who completes a race first, but about who wins the last race…
For the parents who are speaking for this school, hope to hear more constructive information on how well the school is doing, and good factual examples on how their cohorts have fared. This will definitely help to win more students over, if that is the intention of sharing.
For parents who do not have any kids in this school or any biz whatsoever with this school - let’s be gracious and not degrade something that we don’t know enough about.
Have a good weekend all. :siam:[/quote]
The world has changed but something never changes. An effective leader still needs to be driven, articulate and charismatic. This is a human trait and will not change be it in an old or new economy. -
lee_yl\" post_id=\"2077486\" time=\"1659749863\" user_id=\"17023:
Even MOE dare not use IP is more 'superior' when started IP Prog.
Haha, the way you put it, IP indeed sounds superior.
Interviewing skills (for scholarships or jobs) can be learnt or picked up along the way. Oh.. If an O-level student chooses to go RI, maybe he will become more confident and articulate when the peers he mixed with are like that?
I have seen mainstream students outshine GEP students. I have also seen O-level JAE outshine IP students. It is up to the individual whether they want to confine themselves or ambitious enough to want to do better than others.
If one chooses to only restrict oneself with the mindset that since I am not from IP, I cannot compete, it will be a self-fulfilling prophecy and will restrict one’s growth and development. It could perhaps explain why despite having sterling O-level results, some students are underrepresented among the top tier scholarship awardees.
Some suit IP, others JAE.
Interviewing Skills/PW projects etc are introduced to IP Kids in Sec unlike JAE which hv syllabus time frame to finish.
Unless u know the no. of IP/JAE applicants, then cant compare IP JC with JAE JC on this Scholarship matter.
You always assume JAE kids as dont want to compete.
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