* Nanyang JC (NYJC)
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phtthp\" post_id=\"2077510\" time=\"1659767935\" user_id=\"35251:
You will be quite surprised that employers do look at which schools you come from. It does make a difference.
Anyway, to all the Nanyang JC students here,
don't be so up tight about which is the 3rd or 4th or 5th JC, in Singapore. Why ?
Because
every few years, the situation may change, so on & so forth ....
Also, once u step into the working world, nobody is going to ask you, \"so, which JC, you come from ? \" Perhaps, during your very 1st job interview, interviewers may ask, especially if u are a fresh graduate, from university. But subsequently next time, each time whenever u change job, change company 2x, 3x, 4x, 5x or change career, people won't ask u anymore.
They will only ask u one key question, \"From your current or from your previously resigned job, what relevant skill set, can u contribute to our organization ? \"
Or
\" Why should we hire u, out of so many job applicants, who have applied to our company ? We are in no lack of applicants ... \"
As u look back, all these not important anymore. Which (Secondary school or JC) u ever attended before, they merely become dim memories, in your past journey.
If you don’t know the person, where do you take your reference from? Uni results, NS records (for guys) and the schools the person studied in.
For a routine worker bee role, of course not so critical lah. If for recruitment into management or leadership roles, if there’s a RI/ACSI candidate, charismatic, outstanding academic results and can articulate well, will the employers not be tempted? -
Not sure why as I don’t follow the conversations here, but I can’t help but feel that among all the JCs’ chat, we have the most concerned and traditional parents here, who may be seen (by readers) as being too entrenched in their thinking. Times have changed. Rather than looking at which school the job candidate came from, it will be more critical and practical to look at the candidates’ profile, including what roles he/she had during their student life + of cos what and how they did in their professional career. Unless I am part of the HR personnel or recruitment agency doing actual recruitment in the real world in today’s new economy, I will refrain from making comments like which type of profile a company is looking at for worker bee positions vs management or leadership roles.
As a parent, instead of telling my children which school is regarded as “better” or “guaranteed to open doors for me”, I will tell them to grasp whatever opportunity they can get, in whichever environment they end up in. Being in a brand name school does not open bigger doors for them, simply because each year there are so many graduates from each school, each with different strengths and personalities. In life, it is not about who completes a race first, but about who wins the last race…
For the parents who are speaking for this school, hope to hear more constructive information on how well the school is doing, and good factual examples on how their cohorts have fared. This will definitely help to win more students over, if that is the intention of sharing.
(Edited to add: To be clear - the information presented does seem rather lopsided and might achieve the opposite of the original intention. If only a couple of parents are overly interested in promoting the school, discerning parents might wonder what’s the real reason, and will discount whatever that is shared here. Take note I have no vested interest here.)
For parents who do not have any kids in this school or any biz whatsoever with this school - let’s be gracious and not degrade something that we don’t know enough about.
Have a good weekend all. :siam: -
lassie girl\" post_id=\"2077549\" time=\"1659788872\" user_id=\"35383:[quote=\"lassie girl\" post_id=2077549 time=1659788872 user_id=35383]
I am being constructive here by pointing out the area NYJC is weak in but some parents prefer to stick their heads in the sand.
Not sure why as I don’t follow the conversations here, but I can’t help but feel that among all the JCs’ chat, we have the most concerned and traditional parents here, who may be seen (by readers) as being too entrenched in their thinking. Times have changed. Rather than looking at which school the job candidate came from, it will be more critical and practical to look at the candidates’ profile, including what roles he/she had during their student life + of cos what and how they did in their professional career. Unless I am part of the HR personnel or recruitment agency doing actual recruitment in the real world in today’s new economy, I will refrain from making comments like which type of profile a company is looking at for worker bee positions vs management or leadership roles.
As a parent, instead of telling my children which school is regarded as “better” or “guaranteed to open doors for me”, I will tell them to grasp whatever opportunity they can get, in whichever environment they end up in. Being in a brand name school does not open bigger doors for them, simply because each year there are so many graduates from each school, each with different strengths and personalities. In life, it is not about who completes a race first, but about who wins the last race…
For the parents who are speaking for this school, hope to hear more constructive information on how well the school is doing, and good factual examples on how their cohorts have fared. This will definitely help to win more students over, if that is the intention of sharing.
For parents who do not have any kids in this school or any biz whatsoever with this school - let’s be gracious and not degrade something that we don’t know enough about.
Have a good weekend all. :siam:[/quote]
The world has changed but something never changes. An effective leader still needs to be driven, articulate and charismatic. This is a human trait and will not change be it in an old or new economy. -
lee_yl\" post_id=\"2077486\" time=\"1659749863\" user_id=\"17023:
Even MOE dare not use IP is more 'superior' when started IP Prog.
Haha, the way you put it, IP indeed sounds superior.
Interviewing skills (for scholarships or jobs) can be learnt or picked up along the way. Oh.. If an O-level student chooses to go RI, maybe he will become more confident and articulate when the peers he mixed with are like that?
I have seen mainstream students outshine GEP students. I have also seen O-level JAE outshine IP students. It is up to the individual whether they want to confine themselves or ambitious enough to want to do better than others.
If one chooses to only restrict oneself with the mindset that since I am not from IP, I cannot compete, it will be a self-fulfilling prophecy and will restrict one’s growth and development. It could perhaps explain why despite having sterling O-level results, some students are underrepresented among the top tier scholarship awardees.
Some suit IP, others JAE.
Interviewing Skills/PW projects etc are introduced to IP Kids in Sec unlike JAE which hv syllabus time frame to finish.
Unless u know the no. of IP/JAE applicants, then cant compare IP JC with JAE JC on this Scholarship matter.
You always assume JAE kids as dont want to compete. -
lee_yl\" post_id=\"2077551\" time=\"1659790283\" user_id=\"17023:
Constructive?
I am being constructive here by pointing out the area NYJC is weak in but some parents prefer to stick their heads in the sand.
The world has changed but something never changes. An effective leader still needs to be driven, articulate and charismatic. This is a human trait and will not change be it in an old or new economy.
When u dont even know the breakdown of IP/JAE Scholarship applicants, u want to :point out Ny weakness?
:compare IP JC with JAE JC on Scholarship matter?
Effective leader?
:offtopic:
Since when we talk about leader now😆 -
Yuppidiyupp\" post_id=\"2077564\" time=\"1659794426\" user_id=\"197060:
When we talk about top tier scholarships, of cos we are talking about future leaders lah. Indicative of certain cognitive bias.
Constructive?
When u dont even know the breakdown of IP/JAE Scholarship applicants, u want to :point out Ny weakness?
:compare IP JC with JAE JC on Scholarship matter?
Effective leader?
:offtopic:
Since when we talk about leader now😆
Take in top O level students in Singapore yet fail to groom them to be top scholarships awardees. -
lee_yl\" post_id=\"2077630\" time=\"1659865526\" user_id=\"17023:
Your DD from NYJC? If yes, as an insider, could she share the reason why she thinks NYJC has low number of PSC scholars ? And I believe she will have friends from RI/HCI to cross check what RI/HCI are doing right but not NYJC, in “grooming” PSC scholars?
Take in top O level students in Singapore yet fail to groom them to be top scholarships awardees. -
bbbay\" post_id=\"2077640\" time=\"1659872926\" user_id=\"175278:
I guess only the PSC interview panel can answer your question on why students from NYJC are not chosen for the top tier scholarships. Therein lies the paradox, good median UAS but no commiserate success rate for top scholarships.
Your DD from NYJC? If yes, as an insider, could she share the reason why she thinks NYJC has low number of PSC scholars ? And I believe she will have friends from RI/HCI to cross check what RI/HCI are doing right but not NYJC, in “grooming” PSC scholars? -
lee_yl\" post_id=\"2077648\" time=\"1659890316\" user_id=\"17023:
Thks for your input.
I guess only the PSC interview panel can answer your question on why students from NYJC are not chosen for the top tier scholarships. Therein lies the paradox, good median UAS but no commiserate success rate for top scholarships.
Ideally, official info is the best but it is not always available. In a discussion forum like this, next best thing will be from contributor with insider info, or someone from the ground with direct experiences to share , and we can infer something out of these shared experiences, cross validate each other personal perspective to arrive at some personal conclusion.
I was thinking students from JC may hear about stories like their scholars have been mostly from
some clubs or something, and will share when asked. We may not know whether there info are conclusive, but it can be part of the puzzle pieces. Just like the “Bayesian inference” , where conclusion is adjusted as more info become available
It just validated again that academic results are not everything: NYJC with good median UAS but relative low PSC scholarship awarded. -
lee_yl\" post_id=\"2077648\" time=\"1659890316\" user_id=\"17023:
Unlike lower ranking ACJC which has a much higher successful rate, it seems NYJC just could not produced enough high CEP students to compete for top scholarships.
I guess only the PSC interview panel can answer your question on why students from NYJC are not chosen for the top tier scholarships. Therein lies the paradox, good median UAS but no commiserate success rate for top scholarships.
A fair comparison since both are non-IPJC.
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