Tanjong Katong Girls' School

[Hendon]

floppy\" post_id=\"2072958\" time=\"1656742988\" user_id=\"97579:

From the perspective of preparing the student for A Level:

Short answer: none.

Long answer: there’s no advantage in taking O Level econs even if you plan to take A Level econs in JC. Unlike pure Physics, Chem or Bio, or A Math, where the ‘connection’ is obvious, in econs, the scope of the https://www.seab.gov.sg/docs/default-source/national-examinations/syllabus/olevel/2022syllabus/2286_y22_sy.pdf is limited (probably less than a quarter of A). Hence, you aren’t going to get much advantage out of it.

Furthermore, as Yuppidiyupp, the techniques (and approaches) to answering questions are different. If you are too ‘stuck’ in the O level style, it is even going to be detrimental to you (as a student) in JC / A Level.

Last but not least, it is not a humanities subject under L1R5, only as your ‘other’ subjects (which you could probably pick another easier subject to score or less effort to study). However, you have to give up a humanities subject slot to take up this subject. In terms of opportunity cost (no pun intended), it’s not worth it.

Thank you. I guess it was obvious to me on a macro level, without the depth of response you gave, but you made it really clear.

[floppy]

I think I may have made a mistake about giving up a humanities subject for Economics. Please correct me if I’m wrong. Notwithstanding, the argument for picking an “easier” subject as your R5 and R6 is still valid.

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Yuppidiyupp\" post_id=\"2072847\" time=\"1656705435\" user_id=\"197060:

Cant say is a breeze.
A level Econs is different from O level Econs in terms of answering techniques.
Fresh JC Econs kids wont loose out to those who had taken in O.

On a side note, its not easy to score well for O level Econs.
Tkgs std is not what it used to be 10 yrs ago.
Its 2021 O level results not fantastic.

yep i agree that our standard has definitely dropped. mean l1r5 last year 13.8???? :yikes:

but if i recall correctly, the econs results for previous years o’s are as follows:
2021: 29 a1, 1 b3
2020: 29 a1, 2 a2

at prelims last year there was a d7, an e8, and a f9. the e8 and f9 ended up with a1s, so i think econs is basically a free distinction since such improvements are possible within just two months.

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avfromav\" post_id=\"2073236\" time=\"1656984573\" user_id=\"198556:

if i recall correctly, the econs results for previous years econs o’s at tkgs are as follows:
2021: 29 a1, 1 b3
2020: 29 a1, 2 a2

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avfromav\" post_id=\"2073236\" time=\"1656984573\" user_id=\"198556:

yep i agree that our standard has definitely dropped. mean l1r5 last year 13.8???? :yikes:

but if i recall correctly, the econs results for previous years o’s are as follows:
2021: 29 a1, 1 b3
2020: 29 a1, 2 a2

at prelims last year there was a d7, an e8, and a f9. the e8 and f9 ended up with a1s, so i think econs is basically a free distinction since such improvements are possible within just two months.

After looking at the past years' O-level (Econs) National exam questions, my conclusion drawn is -

It is much easier,

to score an A1 for
O-level (Economics),

than to get an A1 for

O-level (Literature or Geography or History)

[fatbear]

Does the sch allow this combo thanks

EL
HMT
A math
E math
Physics
Chem
Econs
Geography?

[floppy]

phtthp\" post_id=\"2079005\" time=\"1660877905\" user_id=\"35251:

After looking at the past years' O-level (Econs) National exam questions, my conclusion drawn is -

It is much easier,

to score an A1 for
O-level (Economics),

than to get an A1 for

O-level (Literature or Geography or History)

Yes…
But you may have just as well said it’s much easier to score A1 for O Level Economics than A1 for Physics / Chemistry / Biology.

You cannot compare apples to oranges. To put things in perspective, a Humanities (or a science) subject is a compulsory element in L1R5 calculation, whereas O Level Economics is not; it’s “others” category and can be substituted with any other subject.

Thus, the right comparison should be:
Is it much easier to score A1 for Economics or A1 for D&T, FNE, PE, POA, Art etc or even any other subject?

[phtthp]

fatbear\" post_id=\"2079007\" time=\"1660878976\" user_id=\"38956:

Does the sch allow this combo thanks

EL
HMT
A math
E math
Physics
Chem
Econs
Geography?

Tanjong Katong Girls' Secondary, is an O-level Secondary school.

What u suggested above,
is a \"Double Science\"
Upper Secondary subject combination comprising

both Pure ( Physics + Chemistry).
Yes, Double Science here, because
u are not taking any Pure Bio.


Now,
your Economics is your 2nd Humanities subject.

Yes, of course,
TKGS will allow Sec 3 students, to take Econs along with your Double Science, ie. Pure (Physics + Chem) subject combination.


But, by MOE ruling,
it is compulsory that
All O-level students MUST take Social Studies.
Hence, I wish to high light that

the \"Geography\" part,
which u mentioned -

can only be an
\"ELECTIVE Geography\" component,

because

this component has already been paired up with \"Social studies\".
So, Yes, definitely u can take \"ELECTIVE Geography\",
but you cannot take \"Pure Geography\",

because

you are already also concurrently taking \"Economics\", liao.

hope u can follow, what I am saying .... ?

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Now, in principle,
above Sec 3 subject combination is permitted, if you are taking (Econs + an Elective Humanities subject) .

However, in reality,
do check with TKGS VP (Academic). Ask her -

Is there a limit, to the maximum intake, for students wishing to take Econs ?

2 possible scenario, can happen

1)
If VP (Academic) answer is \"No limit, to the number of students taking Econs\", then no issue, case closed. That means, whoever is interested in Econs, just proceed to take Econs.


But


2) if VP (Academic) reply is,

\"Yes,
there is a maximum limit, to the number of intake for Sec 3 Econs students,
then your next immediate follow up question is -

\" What then,
is the selection criteria,
for end of Sec 2 TKGS girls (students), who are eager or keen to take Sec 3 Econs ?

At end of Sec 2, what are the Teachers actually looking for, when the assign end of Sec 2 students, into brand new Sec 3 classes ?

Example

Ask the VP,
are they looking for Sec 2 students who are good in English,
or which subject in particular, before one can be assigned to do Sec 3 Econs ?\"

This is an important question, which all Sec 2 students must clarify, If they happen to be interested to pursue Econs, in the event there is a maximum quota intake imposed upon.

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phtthp\" post_id=\"2079014\" time=\"1660882847\" user_id=\"35251:

...
your Economics is your 2nd Humanities subject.
...

Economics is NOT a second humanities subject.
A student has to sacrifice a second humanities subject slot to take Economics (in TKGS) but it is not a humanities subject in the context of O Level.
There is a huge difference!

While it is probably inconsequential for students aiming for Polytechnics, it is important for those aiming for JC or MI where L1R5 or L1R4 calculations are involved. For those who aren't clear, refer to the https://www.moe.gov.sg/-/media/files/post-secondary/2022-jae-information-booklet.pdf Page 26 Table 6 and Page 29 Table 7.


Please do not push the idea that Economics is a second humanities subject. It can get a lot of parents / students unknowingly into a challenging situation later on.
The right approach should be:

If you have settled your science and math - assuming 2 each, and you have picked a humanities subject (geo / his / lit), you will have ended up with 7 subjects. Thus, the question remaining is what to pick for the 8th (or just stick with 7): should it be Art, Music, Economics, Food & Nutrition, another humanities subject or even a third science?

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floppy\" post_id=\"2079013\" time=\"1660882551\" user_id=\"97579:

Yes…
But you may have just as well said it’s much easier to score A1 for O Level Economics than A1 for Physics / Chemistry / Biology.

You cannot compare apples to oranges. To put things in perspective, a Humanities (or a science) subject is a compulsory element in L1R5 calculation, whereas O Level Economics is not; it’s “others” category and can be substituted with any other subject.

Thus, the right comparison should be:
Is it much easier to score A1 for Economics or A1 for D&T, FNE, PE, POA, Art etc or even any other subject?

Floppy

DONT ever put words into my mouth

I NEVER compare Econs to any Pure Science subject. Who is the one who compare Econs with Science ?

Is YOU yourself : FLOPPY

All of you, readers -
Please, go back to my original message. I AM so specific myself that I even quoted only 3 subjects : namely \"Econs vs. Lit / geog / history\". Now, why am i so specific with Econs vs only these 3 subjects \"Lit / Geography/ History\".

Why ?
What's the reason,behind?

Because TKGS is the only All Girls O level school in Singapore, that offer Econs. For the 100+ schools, even if our kids wanted to do O level Econs very much, we also cannot, because our school dont let us study Econs. So, in the end, what choice do our schools let us do, for Electives ? Only choose Elective (Lit or History or Geog) ! That's why I keep comparing Econs vs. (LIT or History or Geog).

I mean, why would I bring in to compare Econs with all those Pure Science subject ? Doesn't make sense bec NONE of the schools in Sg is asking us to choose Econs over Sciences. For the same reason, I won't even compare Econs with POA (principles of accounts). Come on, POA is not even an Elective subject, in ALL 100+ schools.

What are the Elective component, that paired up with Social studies?
In all the 100+ Sec schools in our nation, the Elective is always one of these 3 : Elective (Lit / Geog / History). So, I am specifically comparing Econs with these 3 subjects only !

You dont believe?
All you parents with Secondary school children, just check with your own (son or daughter) -

When come to end of Sec 2, what Elective does your kid have to choose from, apart from Elective (Lit / Geog / History), that \"pairs up with the compulsory Social studies \" ? If there is any other Elective apart from these 3 subjects mentioned, appreciate if u can pls highlight here up front, so that we also get to learn something new.

You get what I mean, folks ?
I am sure those of you with discernment, when you read my original message, you will get what I mean.


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Floppy,

How you choose to interpret is up to you. Because the brain grows on your body. So how u want to jump to conclusion, create a mountain a huge commotion, create a quarrrel, out of this molehill, is up to you. I shall end here, bec totally not interested in engaging any conversation with u.

Wah lao eh ! You really too much ! You yourself interpret wrongly or anyhow interpret, that's Your own problem. If that's how your own brain function, so be it ! Dont drag me into this.