Tanjong Katong Girls' School

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avfromav\" post_id=\"2073236\" time=\"1656984573\" user_id=\"198556:

if i recall correctly, the econs results for previous years econs o’s at tkgs are as follows:
2021: 29 a1, 1 b3
2020: 29 a1, 2 a2

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avfromav\" post_id=\"2073236\" time=\"1656984573\" user_id=\"198556:

yep i agree that our standard has definitely dropped. mean l1r5 last year 13.8???? :yikes:

but if i recall correctly, the econs results for previous years o’s are as follows:
2021: 29 a1, 1 b3
2020: 29 a1, 2 a2

at prelims last year there was a d7, an e8, and a f9. the e8 and f9 ended up with a1s, so i think econs is basically a free distinction since such improvements are possible within just two months.

After looking at the past years' O-level (Econs) National exam questions, my conclusion drawn is -

It is much easier,

to score an A1 for
O-level (Economics),

than to get an A1 for

O-level (Literature or Geography or History)

[fatbear]

Does the sch allow this combo thanks

EL
HMT
A math
E math
Physics
Chem
Econs
Geography?

[floppy]

phtthp\" post_id=\"2079005\" time=\"1660877905\" user_id=\"35251:

After looking at the past years' O-level (Econs) National exam questions, my conclusion drawn is -

It is much easier,

to score an A1 for
O-level (Economics),

than to get an A1 for

O-level (Literature or Geography or History)

Yes…
But you may have just as well said it’s much easier to score A1 for O Level Economics than A1 for Physics / Chemistry / Biology.

You cannot compare apples to oranges. To put things in perspective, a Humanities (or a science) subject is a compulsory element in L1R5 calculation, whereas O Level Economics is not; it’s “others” category and can be substituted with any other subject.

Thus, the right comparison should be:
Is it much easier to score A1 for Economics or A1 for D&T, FNE, PE, POA, Art etc or even any other subject?

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fatbear\" post_id=\"2079007\" time=\"1660878976\" user_id=\"38956:

Does the sch allow this combo thanks

EL
HMT
A math
E math
Physics
Chem
Econs
Geography?

Tanjong Katong Girls' Secondary, is an O-level Secondary school.

What u suggested above,
is a \"Double Science\"
Upper Secondary subject combination comprising

both Pure ( Physics + Chemistry).
Yes, Double Science here, because
u are not taking any Pure Bio.


Now,
your Economics is your 2nd Humanities subject.

Yes, of course,
TKGS will allow Sec 3 students, to take Econs along with your Double Science, ie. Pure (Physics + Chem) subject combination.


But, by MOE ruling,
it is compulsory that
All O-level students MUST take Social Studies.
Hence, I wish to high light that

the \"Geography\" part,
which u mentioned -

can only be an
\"ELECTIVE Geography\" component,

because

this component has already been paired up with \"Social studies\".
So, Yes, definitely u can take \"ELECTIVE Geography\",
but you cannot take \"Pure Geography\",

because

you are already also concurrently taking \"Economics\", liao.

hope u can follow, what I am saying .... ?

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Now, in principle,
above Sec 3 subject combination is permitted, if you are taking (Econs + an Elective Humanities subject) .

However, in reality,
do check with TKGS VP (Academic). Ask her -

Is there a limit, to the maximum intake, for students wishing to take Econs ?

2 possible scenario, can happen

1)
If VP (Academic) answer is \"No limit, to the number of students taking Econs\", then no issue, case closed. That means, whoever is interested in Econs, just proceed to take Econs.


But


2) if VP (Academic) reply is,

\"Yes,
there is a maximum limit, to the number of intake for Sec 3 Econs students,
then your next immediate follow up question is -

\" What then,
is the selection criteria,
for end of Sec 2 TKGS girls (students), who are eager or keen to take Sec 3 Econs ?

At end of Sec 2, what are the Teachers actually looking for, when the assign end of Sec 2 students, into brand new Sec 3 classes ?

Example

Ask the VP,
are they looking for Sec 2 students who are good in English,
or which subject in particular, before one can be assigned to do Sec 3 Econs ?\"

This is an important question, which all Sec 2 students must clarify, If they happen to be interested to pursue Econs, in the event there is a maximum quota intake imposed upon.

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phtthp\" post_id=\"2079014\" time=\"1660882847\" user_id=\"35251:

...
your Economics is your 2nd Humanities subject.
...

Economics is NOT a second humanities subject.
A student has to sacrifice a second humanities subject slot to take Economics (in TKGS) but it is not a humanities subject in the context of O Level.
There is a huge difference!

While it is probably inconsequential for students aiming for Polytechnics, it is important for those aiming for JC or MI where L1R5 or L1R4 calculations are involved. For those who aren't clear, refer to the https://www.moe.gov.sg/-/media/files/post-secondary/2022-jae-information-booklet.pdf Page 26 Table 6 and Page 29 Table 7.


Please do not push the idea that Economics is a second humanities subject. It can get a lot of parents / students unknowingly into a challenging situation later on.
The right approach should be:

If you have settled your science and math - assuming 2 each, and you have picked a humanities subject (geo / his / lit), you will have ended up with 7 subjects. Thus, the question remaining is what to pick for the 8th (or just stick with 7): should it be Art, Music, Economics, Food & Nutrition, another humanities subject or even a third science?

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floppy\" post_id=\"2079013\" time=\"1660882551\" user_id=\"97579:

Yes…
But you may have just as well said it’s much easier to score A1 for O Level Economics than A1 for Physics / Chemistry / Biology.

You cannot compare apples to oranges. To put things in perspective, a Humanities (or a science) subject is a compulsory element in L1R5 calculation, whereas O Level Economics is not; it’s “others” category and can be substituted with any other subject.

Thus, the right comparison should be:
Is it much easier to score A1 for Economics or A1 for D&T, FNE, PE, POA, Art etc or even any other subject?

Floppy

DONT ever put words into my mouth

I NEVER compare Econs to any Pure Science subject. Who is the one who compare Econs with Science ?

Is YOU yourself : FLOPPY

All of you, readers -
Please, go back to my original message. I AM so specific myself that I even quoted only 3 subjects : namely \"Econs vs. Lit / geog / history\". Now, why am i so specific with Econs vs only these 3 subjects \"Lit / Geography/ History\".

Why ?
What's the reason,behind?

Because TKGS is the only All Girls O level school in Singapore, that offer Econs. For the 100+ schools, even if our kids wanted to do O level Econs very much, we also cannot, because our school dont let us study Econs. So, in the end, what choice do our schools let us do, for Electives ? Only choose Elective (Lit or History or Geog) ! That's why I keep comparing Econs vs. (LIT or History or Geog).

I mean, why would I bring in to compare Econs with all those Pure Science subject ? Doesn't make sense bec NONE of the schools in Sg is asking us to choose Econs over Sciences. For the same reason, I won't even compare Econs with POA (principles of accounts). Come on, POA is not even an Elective subject, in ALL 100+ schools.

What are the Elective component, that paired up with Social studies?
In all the 100+ Sec schools in our nation, the Elective is always one of these 3 : Elective (Lit / Geog / History). So, I am specifically comparing Econs with these 3 subjects only !

You dont believe?
All you parents with Secondary school children, just check with your own (son or daughter) -

When come to end of Sec 2, what Elective does your kid have to choose from, apart from Elective (Lit / Geog / History), that \"pairs up with the compulsory Social studies \" ? If there is any other Elective apart from these 3 subjects mentioned, appreciate if u can pls highlight here up front, so that we also get to learn something new.

You get what I mean, folks ?
I am sure those of you with discernment, when you read my original message, you will get what I mean.


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Floppy,

How you choose to interpret is up to you. Because the brain grows on your body. So how u want to jump to conclusion, create a mountain a huge commotion, create a quarrrel, out of this molehill, is up to you. I shall end here, bec totally not interested in engaging any conversation with u.

Wah lao eh ! You really too much ! You yourself interpret wrongly or anyhow interpret, that's Your own problem. If that's how your own brain function, so be it ! Dont drag me into this.

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fatbear\" post_id=\"2079007\" time=\"1660878976\" user_id=\"38956:

Does the sch allow this combo thanks
EL
HMT
A math
E math
Physics
Chem
Econs
Geography?

fatbear,

In your case, for the Double Science part, you are only interested in Physics, not Bio.

Since Chemistry is compulsory, we shall skip the Chemistry part.

But for those end of Sec 2 TKGS students choosing Double Science \"Bio\", not choose Physics -

Perhaps, can ask your VP (Academic), what's the criteria to do Upper Sec \"Bio\" ?

Is it

1) as long as your End of Sec 2 overall Science grade is (A1 or A2), then straightaway, u definitely can take Sec 3 Bio

Or


2) again, clarify -
is there a maximum intake,
for Bio students ?

What if, let's say, there is space constraint, inside the Bio lab ?

Example

say, one Bio lab inside, maximum can only let 18 students do lab experiment concurrently, per Bio lab session. So, if u happen to be the 19th student keen to take up Bio, where are u going to sit, inside the lab ? Do they have a bench for u, to sit down ?

If no space, then,
is TKGS going to open another new Double Science \"Bio\" class to take u in, or what ?

I mean, how they going to select end of Sec 2 students: who can get to do Sec 3 Bio, or who cannot ?

Or

Is it they use an Excel spreadsheet, sort out all the end of Sec 2 students, by their Sec 2 overall (Term 1 to Term 4) entire year results ?

Only those Top X number of students who did well in Science, after sorted out by the Excel spreadsheet, then got chance to do Sec 3 Pure Bio ?

[fatbear]

Thank you I understand the explanation now 😊

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fatbear\" post_id=\"2079007\" time=\"1660878976\" user_id=\"38956:

Does the sch allow this combo thanks
EL
HMT
A math
E math
Physics
Chem
Econs
Geography?

fatbear,

Is good that students choose to do Econs, because if let's say,

for Example

an O-level student (any student, not pin-pointing to any particular student), were to -

1) say, scored C6 in combined (Social Studies + Elective Geography)

And


2) say, scored A1 in \" Econs \"

And


3) say, scored
A2 in each of their O-level (English, Higher Chinese, E-Maths, A-Maths, Pure Chem, Pure Physics Double Science)


Then,
between above choices (1) and (2), one can choose to incorporate, factor in /take in Econs O-level (A1) the much better result score,
instead of taking in the

Combined O-level (Social studies + Elective Geography) poorer C6 result,
to compute their L1R5. That means, just forget about the poor C6 Combined Humanities result, just take in A1 (Econs), to compute your L1R5