Xinmin Primary
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Not leaning into either side, but I just wish to point out that with a total score of AL13, there’s no way a Xinmin student can enter any SAP secondary school. So why is there a need to fight for the right to take PSLE HCL?
https://schoolbell.sg/sap-secondary-schools/
(COP AL14 only if affiliated to SNGS and AL16 only if affiliated to MSHS).
Use the extra effort to brush up the 4 main subjects. If really love HCL, can ownself study using textbook and assessment books. But no benefit to sit for the exam. -
edwardtay79\" post_id=\"2092281\" time=\"1671177370\" user_id=\"134682:
Have you spoken with your school’s principal and shared all these thoughts clearly? Have you also tried to convince her that your child could work harder on his core subjects and his Chinese/higher Chinese is his strength, that it will not affect his core subjects?
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Parents whose kids are taking higher Chinese also better take note to pay more attention to your kid's study while in P4 and P5. Your child will be made by the Principal to drop his Higher Chinese if he/she do not do well in English, Maths and Science albeit good in 2nd Language. My personal take is that my principles and the Principal's principles on education are not aligned. Not sure about you all- just have to watch out to avoid being shocked by such turn of event. -
edwardtay79\" post_id=\"2092488\" time=\"1671452648\" user_id=\"134682:
You can continue with HCL in secondary school if you meet the HCL eligibility:
(i) An overall PSLE Score of 8 or better
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(ii) An overall PSLE Score of 9 to 14 (inclusive); and attain AL 1 / AL 2 in MTL or Distinction / Merit in HMTL -
edwardtay79\" post_id=\"2092488\" time=\"1671452648\" user_id=\"134682:
For my child's case, the school recommend HCL at the end of P4 based on academic performance of all 4 subjects and we took it. The school also allow parents to choose HCL for their child even if they are not recommended but the school will hold the decision on whether the child can continue HCL at the end of P5 based on academic performance. So that is very clear that to take HCL, the student must do well in their 4 subjects before they can take up HCL. And the school make it clear that HCL is an optional subject. In fact, a few students gave up HCL at the end of P5 even though they can continue with it, unlike some others who were asked to drop by the school. For your info my child is not from SAP school. So your example of a student allowed to continue HCL could be the student did do well in the other 4 subjects or from SAP school or some other reasons. But definitely the student need to be able to handle 4 subjects before he/she is allowed to continue with HCL.
Hi floppy,
Good day to you. Sorry to point out the sophistry in your statement. In Xinmin Primary, you need AL2 for Chinese and cumulative of 13pts or below in order at Primary 5 to continue to take Higher Chinese. However, this criteria is not the same for all Primary schools. I known of student who has no flair in Chinese and scored AL3 but the Principal in other primary school allows the student to continue to take Higher Chinese. So to be more exact, this is truly an issue of the current Principal at Xin Min Primary school.
In addition:
1. I think that the argument that one must do extremely well for other subjects to continue to take Higher Chinese is crap. I can agree if a child score 22 or 23 points and is in danger of dropping into normal academic but not when one kid did better than that.
2. do you understand the forcing of a kid who has flair in his mother tongue to drop the subject at a higher level leads to the lowering of self-esteem and self doubts? So much for MOE and the education minister statement to shift away from from over-emphasis on academic results and to support our child's holistic development.
As for holistic development, nowadays the school has a lot of values in action implemented. it doesnt mean the school gives up on academic performance.
Anyway there might a miscommunication between principal and parents in your school. -
zac's mum\" post_id=\"2092498\" time=\"1671460229\" user_id=\"53606:[quote=\"zac's mum\" post_id=2092498 time=1671460229 user_id=53606]
Hi Zac's Mum,
Not leaning into either side, but I just wish to point out that with a total score of AL13, there’s no way a Xinmin student can enter any SAP secondary school. So why is there a need to fight for the right to take PSLE HCL?
https://schoolbell.sg/sap-secondary-schools/
(COP AL14 only if affiliated to SNGS and AL16 only if affiliated to MSHS).
Use the extra effort to brush up the 4 main subjects. If really love HCL, can ownself study using textbook and assessment books. But no benefit to sit for the exam.[/quote]
Good day to you.
Long time since I last drop by in here. For the benefit of all parents who thought that as long as do not go SAP school and that Higher Chinese has no other tangible benefits, let me share this:
(i) Students who take Higher Chinese at O-Level will get another 2 points deducted on overall L1R5;
(ii) In addition, students who took Higher Chinese can choose not to continue with their mother tongue at A Level examination and just focused on their other subjects.
Saying that, the above tangible benefits is besides the point albeit I know of parents who forced their kids to take higher chinese to try to obtain these benefits at O Level and A level and engaged chinese tutors outside to \"train\" their kids to do well in chinese. The essence is this, for kids who are talented/apt in their Higher Chinese, this does not necessary mean they will do extremely well in one major exam grading. Just like kids who scored AL1 or AL 2 for normal Chinese does not mean necessarily mean they are apt in Advanced/Higher Chinese. It is unfair to just condemn a kid who is passionate in Higher Chinese to a death sentence at Primary 6.
My kid went on to Secondary 1 without being eligible to do Higher Chinese as he did not take Higher Chinese during PSLE due to our dear principal's adamant stand in Xin Min Primary School. It is only through appeal and final Secondary 1 examination results that his Secondary Chinese HOD offered him Higher Chinese at end of Secondary 1. He has missed 1 whole year of opportunity to learn more during his Secondary 1. Nevertheless, his Higher Chinese WA1 and WA2 in Secondary 2 is currently ranked among the top 3 in his class per his form teacher.
Summarising, I thought that the attitude and principles of Xin Min Primary School in terms of education is extremely disappointing. If you folks still insist that grades is everything to determine a kid's future direction and passion, then I got nothing to say. On hind sight, I regretted not digging in and challenging the Principal against her personal stand and stubborn viewpoints. -
edwardtay79\" post_id=\"2134949\" time=\"1718067816\" user_id=\"134682:
Educators make decisions on scale for corhort size. It’s reasonable for them to base on statistics to guide their decisions. If a child is struggling with 普华 and/or other subjects during primary school, it is reasonable for school to recommend dropping 高华, to focus energy on 普华/ core subjects instead. It is like cannot handle 10 chapters, better focus energy on only 8 chapters. But I don’t think the door to 高华is closed in Sec. School for those not given the chance to attempt it during PSLE. If can demonstrate the ability to handle 高华 later in Sec. School, I am sure Sec. School will be willing to consider that, just like in your case?
Hi Zac's Mum,
Good day to you.
Long time since I last drop by in here. For the benefit of all parents who thought that as long as do not go SAP school and that Higher Chinese has no other tangible benefits, let me share this:
(i) Students who take Higher Chinese at O-Level will get another 2 points deducted on overall L1R5;
(ii) In addition, students who took Higher Chinese can choose not to continue with their mother tongue at A Level examination and just focused on their other subjects.
Saying that, the above tangible benefits is besides the point albeit I know of parents who forced their kids to take higher chinese to try to obtain these benefits at O Level and A level and engaged chinese tutors outside to \"train\" their kids to do well in chinese. The essence is this, for kids who are talented/apt in their Higher Chinese, this does not necessary mean they will do extremely well in one major exam grading. Just like kids who scored AL1 or AL 2 for normal Chinese does not mean necessarily mean they are apt in Advanced/Higher Chinese. It is unfair to just condemn a kid who is passionate in Higher Chinese to a death sentence at Primary 6.
My kid went on to Secondary 1 without being eligible to do Higher Chinese as he did not take Higher Chinese during PSLE due to our dear principal's adamant stand in Xin Min Primary School. It is only through appeal and final Secondary 1 examination results that his Secondary Chinese HOD offered him Higher Chinese at end of Secondary 1. He has missed 1 whole year of opportunity to learn more during his Secondary 1. Nevertheless, his Higher Chinese WA1 and WA2 in Secondary 2 is currently ranked among the top 3 in his class per his form teacher.
Summarising, I thought that the attitude and principles of Xin Min Primary School in terms of education is extremely disappointing. If you folks still insist that grades is everything to determine a kid's future direction and passion, then I got nothing to say. On hind sight, I regretted not digging in and challenging the Principal against her personal stand and stubborn viewpoints. -
@bbbay said in Xinmin Primary:
edwardtay79\" post_id=\"2134949\" time=\"1718067816\" user_id=\"134682:
Educators make decisions on scale for corhort size. It’s reasonable for them to base on statistics to guide their decisions. If a child is struggling with 普华 and/or other subjects during primary school, it is reasonable for school to recommend dropping 高华, to focus energy on 普华/ core subjects instead. It is like cannot handle 10 chapters, better focus energy on only 8 chapters. But I don’t think the door to 高华is closed in Sec. School for those not given the chance to attempt it during PSLE. If can demonstrate the ability to handle 高华 later in Sec. School, I am sure Sec. School will be willing to consider that, just like in your case?
Hi Zac's Mum,
Good day to you.
Long time since I last drop by in here. For the benefit of all parents who thought that as long as do not go SAP school and that Higher Chinese has no other tangible benefits, let me share this:
(i) Students who take Higher Chinese at O-Level will get another 2 points deducted on overall L1R5;
(ii) In addition, students who took Higher Chinese can choose not to continue with their mother tongue at A Level examination and just focused on their other subjects.
Saying that, the above tangible benefits is besides the point albeit I know of parents who forced their kids to take higher chinese to try to obtain these benefits at O Level and A level and engaged chinese tutors outside to \"train\" their kids to do well in chinese. The essence is this, for kids who are talented/apt in their Higher Chinese, this does not necessary mean they will do extremely well in one major exam grading. Just like kids who scored AL1 or AL 2 for normal Chinese does not mean necessarily mean they are apt in Advanced/Higher Chinese. It is unfair to just condemn a kid who is passionate in Higher Chinese to a death sentence at Primary 6.
My kid went on to Secondary 1 without being eligible to do Higher Chinese as he did not take Higher Chinese during PSLE due to our dear principal's adamant stand in Xin Min Primary School. It is only through appeal and final Secondary 1 examination results that his Secondary Chinese HOD offered him Higher Chinese at end of Secondary 1. He has missed 1 whole year of opportunity to learn more during his Secondary 1. Nevertheless, his Higher Chinese WA1 and WA2 in Secondary 2 is currently ranked among the top 3 in his class per his form teacher.
Summarising, I thought that the attitude and principles of Xin Min Primary School in terms of education is extremely disappointing. If you folks still insist that grades is everything to determine a kid's future direction and passion, then I got nothing to say. On hind sight, I regretted not digging in and challenging the Principal against her personal stand and stubborn viewpoints.Hi bbbay,
We have to agree to disagree. It is totally unreasonable to base on some statistics to make a decision. I am talking about a child doing well with Normal Chinese and also Higher Chinese but forced to drop Higher Chinese as he is so called not doing well with other subjects by the Principal of Xinmin Primary School. This is a dinosaur mindset by a lot of old school principals and parents who just focus on academics and sacrificing a child’s passion for Chinese so that the time can be spent on other subjects…totally illogical and ancient mindset.Please refer back to what Mr Lawrence Wong had spoken on the recent National Day Rally about the importance of Higher Chinese. Principal with dinosaur mindset should be asked to retire early so that young children can pursue their subject of interest without being forced to drop them like what had happened in Xin Min Primary School.
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I believe principals have been following policy guidelines. …. We are going into new AI era soon, and many policies can be changed. My guess is, workers values/high paying jobs may not mostly be in science /math like before. Humanity/culture minds may be more sought after in future
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@bbbay
Hi Mate, I think that the Principal of Xin Min Primary School is following the policy blindly then if there is even such a policy in the first place that directly contradicts with what MOE and the Minister of Education is trying to achieve.We have already move away from streaming students into EM1 to EM3 classes and to “subject banding”. No student is good in all subjects. Hence I do not understand why a student such as my boy who is proficient in higher Chinese is made to drop higher Chinese just because he did not do too well for English, Maths and Science at the young age of 11 years old at end of Primary 5. So personally for me, is this not an issue with the Principal?
Also for current 2024, is the Principal still adopting such draconian measure and forcing students who are good in higher Chinese to drop them due to being weaker in other subjects? If weak in other subjects, should it not be the school working harder to help students in those subjects excel instead of asking them to drop higher Chinese which is totally irrelevant?
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Came to find out more about the school but chanced upon this interesting thread.
@edwardtay79 Only recently then Minister Chan talked about the fluidity of allowing students who are strong in HMTL/MTL, to take HMTL in secondary school, and not tied to overall PSLE scores. So this is a system that has already been in place for the longest time.
Nothing wrong from analysing data and trends, that students who are getting bad total AL scores, be advised or forced to drop HMTL (at P6). The data probably supports the decision that those who dropped, probably did better after that in the 4 main subjects, since the score does not allow them to go SAP school anyway.
You can say you are forward thinking, but try not to be salty if your kid is not up to the mark, and the system (soon to be ‘previous’ system), does not support your kid in exploring HMTL at primary schools.
If your kid is really good at mother tongue, then even if he has lost a year in sec school, he still got offered at the end. So that is already testament of your kid’s ability. But the testament of your kid’s ability does not equate to the failure of the system.
The system changes, and evolves. Your child is just in the previous system, as are many of his counterparts in his age. The system (before the announcement made in Sep 2024) is, if his overall PSLE score is bad, doesn’t matter if Chinese is AL1, he will still not be eligible for HMTL. So this is not the fault of the school already. You can blame the system if you want to. This has nothing to do with streaming students and into subject banding also. The system, as of 2024, still remains that overall PSLE score is tied to HMTL eligibility, and that naturally translates into overall results in pri sch tied to HMTL eligibility. A logical person will be able to see that.
Anyway hope you can move on already since it sounds like your kid has already moved on from this school.
Cheers!
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