Can through-train school work in kiasu Singapore?
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There is a pfp for poly, do u all think a "sfp" will work? Using p5 sch results/sch recommendation to "dsa" to selected sec schs set aside for this sfp. Accepted students will leave sch by end of Term 1 of p6 n join the selected sec sch (eg sch that offers the various banded subj in Sec1 to cater to those who needed more time n also lateral transfer for late bloomers, not those express only or IP schs). Moe can look at how successful is (n the challenges of) pfp to gauge if this new initiative to bypass psle for certain grps of students is feasible. They can then start foundation preparation for sec sch subj instead of drilling for psle (that is if the belief is that psle drilling is not part of building a proper/strong fdn for sec sch subj).
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jedamum\" post_id=\"2101093\" time=\"1678838958\" user_id=\"159:
Accepted students should leave by end of P6 Term 2 (June), not leave at end of Term 1 (March)
There is a pfp for poly, do u all think a \"sfp\" will work? Using p5 sch results/sch recommendation to \"dsa\" to selected sec schs set aside for this sfp. Accepted students will leave sch by end of Term 1 of p6 n join the selected sec sch (eg sch that offers the various banded subj in Sec1 to cater to those who needed more time n also lateral transfer for late bloomers, not those express only or IP schs). Moe can look at how successful is (n the challenges of) pfp to gauge if this new initiative to bypass psle for certain grps of students is feasible. They can then start foundation preparation for sec sch subj instead of drilling for psle (that is if the belief is that psle drilling is not part of building a proper/strong fdn for sec sch subj).
Because
some primary schools are only able to complete teaching MOE P6
(Science + Maths) entire syllabus, by the end of May. And May month is still in Term 2, not Term 1.
After May month is over,
AFTER
the entire P6 school syllabus teaching is over & done with,
these students since not taking any more PSLE,
are now free to go directly to their Through train Secondary school and start their brand new Secondary 1 journey,
AFTER
the long one month June school holiday break is over.
No point
for these students to hang around in P6 Semester 2, from July onwards, since they are not even taking any PSLE National exam.
If these \"through train\" P6 students still hang around the primary school premises in P6 July (Semester 2), then their presence inside the school compound will only disturb the other hardworking group of P6 students, who are busy preparing for their coming PSLE. Parents of this P6 hardworking group, surely u won't want this to happen to your child, right? -
jedamum\" post_id=\"2101093\" time=\"1678838958\" user_id=\"159:
This sounds feasible. Maybe an option for the kids doing Foundation subjects for P5 to start Sec 1 one year earlier, so that they have extra time to get used to the 8 subjects?
There is a pfp for poly, do u all think a \"sfp\" will work? Using p5 sch results/sch recommendation to \"dsa\" to selected sec schs set aside for this sfp. Accepted students will leave sch by end of Term 1 of p6 n join the selected sec sch (eg sch that offers the various banded subj in Sec1 to cater to those who needed more time n also lateral transfer for late bloomers, not those express only or IP schs). Moe can look at how successful is (n the challenges of) pfp to gauge if this new initiative to bypass psle for certain grps of students is feasible. They can then start foundation preparation for sec sch subj instead of drilling for psle (that is if the belief is that psle drilling is not part of building a proper/strong fdn for sec sch subj).
IMO PSLE maths drilling is not part of Sec maths foundation at all. My kid now Sec 1 doing algebra way of solving “psle Assumption method, age gap questions”, so much easier for him. He hated model method. Thrown out the window, good riddance! -
Veyron\" post_id=\"2101073\" time=\"1678805426\" user_id=\"30663:
Thru train does not equate to removal of PSLE, two different approaches.
Like it or hate it, PSLE has for generations served as an important checkpoint for students and a dependable and meritocratic S1 posting mechanism. Those MPs who are advocating for TT school system are the same people who have benefits from PSLE, which allows them to enroll in schools such as St Nic, RGS, and RI. I presume the reason why they or their parents choose these branded schools some 20 to 30 years ago is the still same reason why these schools remain popular and sought after.
One of the biggest expenditures for the Singapore government is education and I would consider education as one of the most important pillars to ensure Singapore's survival. Will MOE risk our kids' future by abolishing Singapore's proven but not perfect education system in favor of an unproven and untested TT system? I sincerely hope not.
A more sensible thing to do is perhaps to make skipping PSLE an available option for all while keeping PSLE at the core to serve as a checkpoint for S1 posting. Some may not like it, but the majority do see the merit and necessity for it. Doing the other way by forcing parents into accepting TT system will risk creating more social divide and many unexpected problems which will be hard to address.
Through train if it can reduce stress and remove the high stake of PSLE, it can be useful if thought through carefully. But can still keep PSLE. -
zac's mum\" post_id=\"2101095\" time=\"1678841339\" user_id=\"53606:[quote=\"zac's mum\" post_id=2101095 time=1678841339 user_id=53606]
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This sounds feasible. Maybe an option for the kids doing Foundation subjects for P5 to start Sec 1 one year earlier, so that they have extra time to get used to the 8 subjects?
IMO PSLE maths drilling is not part of Sec maths foundation at all. My kid now Sec 1 doing algebra way of solving “psle Assumption method, age gap questions”, so much easier for him. He hated model method. Thrown out the window, good riddance![/quote]
I also can't stand the primary school Maths \"model\" method. Secondary school \" Algebra \" method is so much simpler, easier. -
Ya i don't understand why MOE is so proud of their mathematical modeling method.
I always hear parents in the chatgroups complaining about how their kids are good in primary mathematical modeling method but have trouble in secondary school mathematics as they could not understand the algebra way.
This mathematical modeling method just make everyone's life difficult. No wonder why all the PSLE math tuition centres got their own methods.
https://www.oodleslearning.com/
https://www.ammielwan.com.sg/
http://www.nicklebeetutors.com/
https://www.conceptmath.com/
https://www.sakamoto.net/zac's mum\" post_id=\"2101095\" time=\"1678841339\" user_id=\"53606:[quote=\"zac's mum\" post_id=2101095 time=1678841339 user_id=53606]This sounds feasible. Maybe an option for the kids doing Foundation subjects for P5 to start Sec 1 one year earlier, so that they have extra time to get used to the 8 subjects?
IMO PSLE maths drilling is not part of Sec maths foundation at all. My kid now Sec 1 doing algebra way of solving “psle Assumption method, age gap questions”, so much easier for him. He hated model method. Thrown out the window, good riddance![/quote]phtthp\" post_id=\"2101098\" time=\"1678841749\" user_id=\"35251:
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I also can't stand the primary school Maths \"model\" method. Secondary school \" Algebra \" method is so much simpler, easier. -
00skyblue00\" post_id=\"2101097\" time=\"1678841748\" user_id=\"143605:
The motivation behind having TT is to skip PSLE exam. If we have TT and still have PSLE option, it will make no sense because it will be a complete waste of resources.
Thru train does not equate to removal of PSLE, two different approaches.
Through train if it can reduce stress and remove the high stake of PSLE, it can be useful if thought through carefully. But can still keep PSLE.
TT can surely reduce stress for students in short term BUT it may also lead to long-term complacency and cultivation of false sense of entitlement. like living in a bubble system where you don't need to work hard and worry because its given.
Giving students the option to opt out PSLE will address the current rigid policy where all students are required to take PSLE to progress to S1. And it doesnt require any special TT schools or getting parents to decide on their child education path at preschool age. -
Veyron\" post_id=\"2101102\" time=\"1678843806\" user_id=\"30663:
It makes good sense to me and many. TT with PSLE, is just like the current sch w affiliation. Less stressful for the students in affiliated schools but still take PSLE, mainly for subject banding. Class sorting.
The motivation behind having TT is to skip PSLE exam. If we have TT and still have PSLE option, it will make no sense because it will be a complete waste of resources.
TT can surely reduce stress for students in short term BUT it may also lead to long-term complacency and cultivation of false sense of entitlement. like living in a bubble system where you don't need to work hard and worry because its given.
Giving students the option to opt out PSLE will address the current rigid policy where all students are required to take PSLE to progress to S1. And it doesnt require any special TT schools or getting parents to decide on their child education path at preschool age. -
phtthp\" post_id=\"2101098\" time=\"1678841749\" user_id=\"35251:
Model does have their merit as it helps the student to visualize the problem. Algebra is also a double edge, some primary school children simply couldn't nail it. So having different approaches to solving problems may help students prepare for PSLE.
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I also can't stand the primary school Maths \"model\" method. Secondary school \" Algebra \" method is so much simpler, easier. -
00skyblue00\" post_id=\"2101104\" time=\"1678844551\" user_id=\"143605:
When people think about affiliation, they think about ACS MGS and all that fancy branded secondary school. (that is good sense to me too)
It makes good sense to me and many. TT with PSLE, is just like the current sch w affiliation. Less stressful for the students in affiliated schools but still take PSLE, mainly for subject banding. Class sorting.
Try offering affiliation to some neighborhood secondary school with AL22 COP for express (similar to ACS), I am sure there will be few takers.
If so, why don't we just stick with affiliation school instead of calling it TT? Is AL22 COP not good enough?
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