Can through-train school work in kiasu Singapore?

[pirate]

Veyron\" post_id=\"2103996\" time=\"1680476253\" user_id=\"30663:

Sometimes parents must learn to accept that some students are just smarter than others in their studies and there are many factors influencing that, not just purely enrichment centers or money.

I think you mean sometimes parents must learn to accept that their child is a fish and not a monkey.

If MOE does not do any sorting, everybody will be asked to climb trees, ie. academic studies.

So yeah. Actually I agree with you. It's the parents.

[Veyron]

pirate\" post_id=\"2104007\" time=\"1680488815\" user_id=\"66252:

I have news for you. A small island is surrounded by the sea.
:slapshead:

Anyway, this thread is about TT from primary school to secondary, not TT to A levels or IB. Dunno what it has to do with IP or meritocracy.

I don't think anybody is suggesting TT to IP.

The natural order for school selection is the same regardless IP or mainstream, poly, JC and Uni.
Within IP and mainstream, there are also choices and ranking by popularity.
And COP is driven by students' academic profiles and demands, not predetermined by schools or MOE. Supposedly in one year, the majority of the top PSLE students doesn't want to go RI, then the COP may drop from AL6 to AL10.

Even with TT system, there will also be ranking in popularity

[Veyron]

pirate\" post_id=\"2104008\" time=\"1680489300\" user_id=\"66252:

I think you mean sometimes parents must learn to accept that their child is a fish and not a monkey.

If MOE does not do any sorting, everybody will be asked to climb trees, ie. academic studies.

So yeah. Actually I agree with you. It's the parents.

If academic studies = climbing tree, then you ought to use a better example than fish and monkey.
Perhaps a cheetah and a monkey, is better,
both can climbs but monkey is better.
Both can run, but cheetah is faster.

I would rather say students are like different flowers and plants, and their diversity it what makes a beautiful garden.

[phtthp]

Veyron\" post_id=\"2104010\" time=\"1680489983\" user_id=\"30663:

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Even with TT system, there will also be ranking in popularity

Yes, of course !

Those TT Secondary schools that churn out better O-level results, will be highly favoured upon, be highly sought after, even when P6 students were to by-pass PSLE, fill up their 6 choices of TT Secondary schools. That is,

1) TT Secondary school A, will have produced better O-level results, than TT school B.


2)TT Secondary school B, will have produced better O-level results, than TT school C.

3) TT Secondary school C, will have produced better O-level results, than TT school D.

4) so on, and so forth

5) ...

6) your last choice, #6 TT school

And in the end, which TT school will u be admitted into ?

Still got to sit for that particular TT school's admission Sec 1 test. Ya, even though u bypassed PSLE, still got to take all these admission tests.

Why ?

In the event TT school A, ranked highly due to good O-level results produced, is been highly sought after. In other words, there are MORE number of applicants, than the number of vacancies, for Sec 1 available. So end up, got to sit for admission tests.

But of course, the actual PSLE papers will be many times more challenging, tougher than any of these TT Sec schools' admission tests (subject), administered, for Sec 1 entry.

[sushi88]

pirate\" post_id=\"2104007\" time=\"1680488815\" user_id=\"66252:

I have news for you. A small island is surrounded by the sea.
:slapshead:

Anyway, this thread is about TT from primary school to secondary, not TT to A levels or IB. Dunno what it has to do with IP or meritocracy.

I don't think anybody is suggesting TT to IP.

It's funny how the topic keeps drifting into IP and meritocracy right with no relevance? The competitive mind is on 24/7 even when there is no need to compete.

[Veyron]

sushi88\" post_id=\"2104019\" time=\"1680494257\" user_id=\"100857:

It's funny how the topic keeps drifting into IP and meritocracy right with no relevance? The competitive mind is on 24/7 even when there is no need to compete.

Selection and posting to IP or mainstream school is the same as students will take the same PSLE exam and make their selection or decision based on PSLE result.

Those who do well in PSLE, may consider IP or mainstream depending on results and indicative COP.
Competition for IP or popular mainstream schools is the same because demand always exceeds vacancies. I think competition for IP schools may be even tighter because the mark difference between AL5-AL6-AL7 could just be a few T-score difference as oppose to say AL13 to AL20

At P1 age, it's very difficult to tell which students will end up in IP, so we should not exclude the possibility of IP selection if TT students are given a choice. Just like ACS-affiliated schools, those who do extremely well for PSLE, are likely to take the IB program or join other IP schools without affiliation advantages.

[phtthp]

sushi88\" post_id=\"2104019\" time=\"1680494257\" user_id=\"100857:

It's funny how the topic keeps drifting into IP and meritocracy right with no relevance? The competitive mind is on 24/7 even when there is no need to compete.

For a start,
how about identify those TT schools, that u want your kids to go to?

Can
Leave out naming all those IP (single and dual track) schools, because all these require PSLE exam . So leave out ACSI, bec to enter ACSI, u need to sit for PSLE, apart from DSA.

Bec when u are talking about TT schools, aren't we talking about BYPASS Psle, Not sitting for Psle ?

[sushi88]

Veyron\" post_id=\"2104020\" time=\"1680495749\" user_id=\"30663:

Selection and posting to IP or mainstream school is the same as students will take the same PSLE exam and make their selection or decision based on PSLE result.

Those who do well in PSLE, may consider IP or mainstream depending on results and indicative COP.
Competition for IP or popular mainstream schools is the same because demand always exceeds vacancies. I think competition for IP schools may be even tighter because the mark difference between AL5-AL6-AL7 could just be a few T-score difference as oppose to say AL13 to AL20

At P1 age, it's very difficult to tell which students will end up in IP, so we should not exclude the possibility of IP selection if TT students are given a choice. Just like ACS-affiliated schools, those who do extremely well for PSLE, are likely to take the IB program or join other IP schools without affiliation advantages.

We all know the current system very well already and that's why discussing if there is a better way for the kids to learn and live.

[sushi88]

phtthp\" post_id=\"2104023\" time=\"1680497021\" user_id=\"35251:

For a start,
how about identify those TT schools, that u want your kids to go to?

Can
Leave out naming all those IP (single and dual track) schools, because all these require PSLE exam . So leave out ACSI, bec to enter ACSI, u need to sit for PSLE, apart from DSA.

Bec when u are talking about TT schools, aren't we talking about BYPASS Psle, Not sitting for Psle ?

Please go and re-read the thread if you want to know more.
Identifying TT schools is a job for MOE, they run the schools, also written in earlier posts already.

[pirate]

Veyron\" post_id=\"2104011\" time=\"1680491127\" user_id=\"30663:

If academic studies = climbing tree, then you ought to use a better example than fish and monkey.
Perhaps a cheetah and a monkey, is better,
both can climbs but monkey is better.
Both can run, but cheetah is faster.

I would rather say students are like different flowers and plants, and their diversity it what makes a beautiful garden.

No lah. Academic studies is not the end all or be all. Otherwise we will end up with a bunch of 书呆子.

The whole point about the trees is to point out that there are other things apart from trees. So don't be so one track mind about trees, ie academic studies.