FSBB (Full Subject-Based Banding)
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https://youtube.com/watch?v=tidHA2yZNF0&feature=share
CNA news on FullSBB. -
sembgal\" post_id=\"2099336\" time=\"1677645398\" user_id=\"5559:
I would like to correct some misconceptions.
An important point to note for parents with children born in 2011 and after 2011.
If your child has intention to go JC in future, please ensure your child passes PSLE and get offered G3 subjects. It seemed that those offering G3 subjects get a better chance to select their preferred subject combinations in JC than those who did G2 subjects in secondary. My own thinking. 😅 Correct me if I’m wrong.
https://postimg.cc/XXK2wsCQ
https://www.todayonline.com/singapore/secondary-school-streaming-be-abolished-2024-replaced-subject-based-banding
1. “Pass PSLE” is the wrong term to use if u mean “gets offered all G3 subjects” aka current Express stream.
2. The picture u posted indicates “no change to JC entry criteria”. The current JC entry criteria is L1R5 score of 20 at O level exam, for JAE applicants. I believe N level applicants cannot apply to JC. Hence the current NA stream students, even if they take some Express level subjects (under the FSBB pilot) and sit for those O levels subjects, cannot satisfy the full L1R5 criteria for JC entry. Unless JAE permits them to accumulate 2 sittings of O levels (in Sec 4 and Sec 5).
When 2023 PSLE kids commence on the FSBB complete rollout in Sec 1 2024, the non-IP ones will embark on the path to the common national exam taken in Sec 4. The picture u posted indicates that for Poly entry, there is “ongoing review of Year 1 criteria to better recognize the different subject levels [G2, G3] student take [in the common national exam]”. Nothing is said about how JCs will recognize (or plan to recognize) the G2. Which means they won’t.
So your statement is incorrect that those taking G2 subjects will impact their JC combinations available to them. They won’t even get to smell JC. Which is what I thought should be changing, given the trend of making the pathways more fluid, less rigid. -
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zac's mum\" post_id=\"2099389\" time=\"1677650389\" user_id=\"53606:[quote=\"zac's mum\" post_id=2099389 time=1677650389 user_id=53606]
- The existing JC admission criteria will be retained to ensure that students are right-sited to cope with the academic rigour of the A-Level pathway
I would like to correct some misconceptions.
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2. The picture u posted indicates “no change to JC entry criteria”. The current JC entry criteria is L1R5 score of 20 at O level exam, for JAE applicants. I believe N level applicants cannot apply to JC. Hence the current NA stream students, even if they take some Express level subjects (under the FSBB pilot) and sit for those O levels subjects, cannot satisfy the full L1R5 criteria for JC entry. Unless JAE permits them to accumulate 2 sittings of O levels (in Sec 4 and Sec 5).
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- The option of a fifth year in secondary school will continue to be available for eligible students to pace their learning and take subjects at a more demanding level to access more post-secondary pathways
In simple English:
Still need 6 (or whatever number they may decide) G3 (fka Express) subjects score to enter JC.
G2 students (likely to be academically abled) who may not have the full G3 subject requirements are (presumably) able to opt for an additional year in order to complete the full suite of G3 subjects to get the JC qualifying score. -
I wish they would explain the 5th year in simple English then! (I also hope that’s what it means)
Currently there is only one Sec 5 class in DS’ school.
It remains to be seen what happens when the current Sec 2 (pilot FSBB) move up to Sec 4. If the NA stream kids take eg. 3 O level subjects (Express G3) + 3 N level subjects (NA G2) in Sec 4, that leaves them with the decision:
Do I continue to Sec 5 to take the remaining 3 subjects at O level (Express G3) to qualify for JC? (The alternative I think is to use the already taken O level subjects as extra credits into Poly Foundation Program).
Will the school open eg half a form class for these kids? Or mix them into the remaining Sec 4 FSBB classes? Admin-wise, would be interesting to see. -
Wouldn’t it be an easier path for NA students to try EAE into poly then from poly EAE into uni? From poly to uni can save a year if related course and actually the path to uni is shorter compared to NA sec 5-jc-uni?
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Imp75\" post_id=\"2099509\" time=\"1677716901\" user_id=\"2358:
“From Poly to Uni” path, while touted by many as a feasible route to upgrade one’s lot in life, is only open to the top 10% academic scorers in Poly.
Wouldn’t it be an easier path for NA students to try EAE into poly then from poly EAE into uni? From poly to uni can save a year if related course and actually the path to uni is shorter compared to NA sec 5-jc-uni?
This is what I heard from some tutors experienced in teaching NA kids. -
Imp75\" post_id=\"2099509\" time=\"1677716901\" user_id=\"2358:
In January 2023,
Wouldn’t it be an easier path for NA students to try EAE into poly then from poly EAE into uni? From poly to uni can save a year if related course and actually the path to uni is shorter compared to NA sec 5-jc-uni?
during Nanyang Polytechnic Open house day,
the person standing on stage delivered a speech inside the Auditorium, to the seated audience (parents + students) said (highlight) this -
only the Top 10% of Polytechnic Final year graduates, will eventually make it to the local universities (NUS + NTU). The rest, 90% graduates, will have to go out to work.
Ask you -
Is 10%, a lot ?
Since MOE has announced yesterday that Junior College students only need to focus on 3H2, not 4H2 subjects,
then
it makes more sense to go to the Junior Colleges, instead of to the Polytechnic,
Unless ...
Your kid already very determined, very certain, already know exactly what he (she) want to be, where career path is concerned, right after finished O-level .
Example
If your child wants to be
a pilot or
a Child care centre Teacher or
a nurse or
those who made eye glasses for people or
an animal Vet or
a Mass Comm Journalist / appearing on TV news Broadcaster -
zac's mum\" post_id=\"2099510\" time=\"1677718306\" user_id=\"53606:[quote=\"zac's mum\" post_id=2099510 time=1677718306 user_id=53606]
The data from the tutors is somewhat outdated (and probably clouded by past experiences / biases).
“From Poly to Uni” path, while touted by many as a feasible route to upgrade one’s lot in life, is only open to the top 10% academic scorers in Poly.
This is what I heard from some tutors experienced in teaching NA kids.[/quote]
As per this https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/parenting-education/askst-is-there-a-quota-on-university-places-for-polytechnic-graduates:
“When the Government announced the expansion of university places in 2012, only 20 per cent of polytechnic graduates made it to the local universities. Last year, 30 per cent of polytechnic graduates - almost one in three - made it to one of the six local universities.”
From what I’ve seen and heard from contacts within the polytechnics, that seems to be about right. More importantly, given that the new stated aim is now 60% cohort admission to university, I think we all know which group will benefit the most, especially when the new policy is moving away from front loading and looking for more experienced learners. Can’t imagine many A Level students saying they want to get more working experience with their A Level certificate first. The flexibility of working first, studying later is probably the biggest attraction of a poly education.
Also, to highlight (and address Imp75 point), most poly students to local universities, even in related courses, do not accrue enough credits to skip a full year. They will be lucky with a couple of subjects maybe (the overseas universities are a lot more generous in that aspect and are, therefore, the preferred option for most poly graduates). Hence, EAE to Poly and then to Uni doesn’t really save you a year.
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