2023 PSLE Discussions and Strategies (Children born in 2011)
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koudayao27\" post_id=\"2123993\" time=\"1701223292\" user_id=\"199369:
Amongst these 4 languages at MOELC (Japanese / German / French / Spanish) :-
Don't be sad, most students drop the third language in the first year.
So, you're just saving yourself some time.
1) the hottest, greatest in demand is ... Japanese. Probably because, is a language in Asia.
2) ironically, the one that dropped out the most, is also ... Japanese.
Why ?
Because
Japanese is the hardest, most challenging to learn, assuming that u have zero knowledge / background.
For those students in primary schools who have ever been exposed to Japanese before, perhaps via private enrichment lessons arranged by their parents, then, maybe still not so bad.
After so many students dropped out along the way,
at the end of Sec 4, the Total number of students taking or sitting for O-level (Japanese) : not many. If you can \"tahan\" Japanese all the way to O-level, I :salute: you -
Imp75\" post_id=\"2123981\" time=\"1701219979\" user_id=\"2358:
Yes, I feel the same way. The biggest change from T-score to AL is not the wider score range but the elimination of the bell curve.
I still like T score which is computed based on statistical difference. Knew of someone with 4A* and 3A*1A only 1 mark difference (which should be the case they should be eligible for the same schools) rather than the AL which could mean huge disparity and Sch allocation. Back to what someone says, maybe G is trying to reallocate the brilliant ones to feed into different top schools to dilute the “top school” effect.
Once PSLE questions are too easy (like this year, for example), it's hard to ensure that COPs don't experience significant fluctuations -
00skyblue00\" post_id=\"2123968\" time=\"1701208217\" user_id=\"143605:
Plausible
T-score analysis resurrection! Nice!
Just a few comments.
. Can use HCL criteria to estimate top 30%. Used to be ~235 (past parents done this before, making use of cop of MSH, lowest SAP cop). Under AL banding, the criteria has become AL14.
. Top 10% under t-score was ~252
. Hence, top 20% is estimated to be roughly 242 (top O level schools COP)
Assuming infrastructure was built to cater for 40k places (supply):
AL4 or AL5 <- guessed to be 1.5% (600?)
AL6 or better ~260 <- guessed to be 3% (1,200?)
AL9 or better ~252 <- roughly 10% (3,900)
AL11 or better ~242 <- guessed to be 20% (8,000)
AL14 or better ~232 <- roughly 30% (12,000)
AL20 or better ~200-210
AL22 or better ~188 <- roughly 68.4% (27,000)
AL23- rest of cohort = 40,000
How's the above? -
Just curious if there are any stats from schools regarding number of AL4/5 this year compared to previous years . Saw a couple of comments that this year’s PSLE was easier
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During T scores we can have students with 260.1 , 260.2, 260.3, 260.4 and so on. And the student with score 260.3 could be the last one qualified for that school application. No balloting was needed.
Now with AL system, all the above 260.x will be under AL6 and will be treated as equal and need to undergo ballot. And unfortunately some of them will get ballot out. In this scenario, AL6 is still the same category of students but balloting is happening not because there are more students scoring well but because there are no longer scores with decimal places to differentiate them further? -
bbbay\" post_id=\"2124002\" time=\"1701228720\" user_id=\"175278:
With T-score there may be less instances of balloting, probably. But the T-score is brutal, as everyone will chase for the COP just to aim for a particular school. Also a child can score A for 3 subjects and a B for another one, and achieve about 260. With AL banding, a child has to be good for his 4 subjects in order to enter the school of his/her choice. More balanced, in theory.
During T scores we can have students with 260.1 , 260.2, 260.3, 260.4 and so on. And the student with score 260.3 could be the last one qualified for that school application. No balloting was needed.
Now with AL system, all the above 260.x will be under AL6 and will be treated as equal and need to undergo ballot. And unfortunately some of them will get ballot out. In this scenario, AL6 is still the same category of students but balloting is happening not because there are more students scoring well but because there are no longer scores with decimal places to differentiate them further?
Coming back to balloting, in MOE's website, they have provided a statistic that there is only 1 in 10 chance that a child has to ballot. Before that, the child would be given the school in tiebreaker if he/she is a SG citizen and has put the school as first choice. So I would say, if you like a school and your child's score is at COP of that school, put it as first choice. 99% will get it (but don't quote me, haha). -
kylene\" post_id=\"2123999\" time=\"1701228233\" user_id=\"6993:
Just curious if there are any stats from schools regarding number of AL4/5 this year compared to previous years . Saw a couple of comments that this year’s PSLE was easier
For discussion sake….
Hmm knowing whether AL4/5/6 students increase or not is a good indication for whether papers are easier/ indeed any moderation in AL score system.
Maybe we can look at the coming S1 intake COP for top schools like the Rs for indication?
Assuming demand for the Rs schools not change. And the number of 6 and below, putting R schools as first choice stay same. I am not factoring in the cohort size- to reduce complication. Hope it will not skew the outcome.
If the COP stay same at 6 for this year S1 posting, like last year, we can conclude no. of 6 and below students stay about the same? And even with the easier papers yet no. Of students stay same, there are some form of moderation to fix the no.of students is this 4-6 band?
If the COP for the R schools drop to 5, we can conclude the no. of 6 and below students has indeed increased and all the 6s got pushed out after all the 4s and 5s are accepted? And there is no moderation of scores to fix the no. of students in this band? -
kylene\" post_id=\"2123999\" time=\"1701228233\" user_id=\"6993:
Don't have such stats. However, there is a percentage on how well 2022 did in general for them to advance to normal and express classes. For 2023, the stat was expressed in posting group 1 and 2, supposedly also normal (academic and technical).
Just curious if there are any stats from schools regarding number of AL4/5 this year compared to previous years . Saw a couple of comments that this year’s PSLE was easier
2022: 68.4% (express)
2023: 64% (groups 1 and 2)
It is difficult to compare as the approach is now fully subject-based banding. However, if one wants to infer, the 64% are mapped to normal academic/technical, only 36% are fully express students. this reasoning does not make sense. Moral of the story, MOE don't want to give us figures to compare...haha -
CoolChillPapa\" post_id=\"2124006\" time=\"1701230514\" user_id=\"203438:
With respect to the part in bold, I believe MOE's release says something else. The 64% figure represents the proportion of students in G2 and G1 that are eligible to take a subject at a higher level (i.e. G3 for those in G2 and G2 or G3 for those in G1). The corresponding figure was 62% in 2022 PSLE and 65% in the 2021 PSLE.
Don't have such stats. However, there is a percentage on how well 2022 did in general for them to advance to normal and express classes. For 2023, the stat was expressed in posting group 1 and 2, supposedly also normal (academic and technical).
2022: 68.4% (express)
2023: 64% (groups 1 and 2)
It is difficult to compare as the approach is now fully subject-based banding. However, if one wants to infer, the 64% are mapped to normal academic/technical, only 36% are fully express students. this reasoning does not make sense. Moral of the story, MOE don't want to give us figures to compare...haha
MOE did not give the percentage of students qualifying for G3 (Express) in 2023. For 2022 and 2021, the figure was 68.4% for both years. -
phtthp\" post_id=\"2123972\" time=\"1701214746\" user_id=\"35251:
I hope I didnt commit a sin .... haha
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Assuming infrastructure was built to cater for 40k places (supply):
AL4 or AL5 <- guessed to be 1.5% (600?)
AL6 or better ~260 <- guessed to be 3% (1,200?)
AL7 or better ~252 <- roughly 10% (3,900)
AL11 or better ~242 <- guessed to be 20% (8,000)
AL14 or better ~232 <- roughly 30% (12,000)
AL20 or better ~200-210
AL22 or better ~188 <- roughly 68.4% (27,000)
AL23- rest of cohort or above ~ 40,000
Better now? :celebrate:
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