JC or Poly?

[MrsKiasu]

Recently I heard 3 cases from Poly to UK and Australia. That could be one of the reasons?

[sharonkhoo]

lee_yl\" post_id=\"2126666\" time=\"1704792021\" user_id=\"17023:

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/parenting-education/junior-college-or-polytechnic-how-to-guide-your-child-to-pick-the-right-path

There was a ST article a few days ago on whether to pick JC or Poly.

It was reported that for 2023 cohort, 43% of the Poly students were actually eligible to pick JC

However, about one in three fresh polytechnic graduates (33%) goes on to university, while around four in five A-level graduates (80%) do so.

I am not sure how best to interpret these statistics. I have this impression that instead of going to a lower tier JC, one may have a higher chance to enter Uni via the Poly route. But the numbers don’t seem to tell me so now because out of the 43% (who were eligible for JC but picked Poly instead), only 33% of the Poly students managed to move on to Uni.
This 33% should also include a good number of kids who didn’t do so well for O levels (not eligible for JCs) but did well in Poly to get into university.

Possibly that a large proportion of the 43% eligible for JC were from the group that wouldn't have made it to university even if they were in JC? I think the main thing parents have to remember is that it is the student's ability that has a greater impact on whether he gets to university or not, not whether he was in a good JC, lower tier JC or poly. Some students may have peaked at O levels and qualified for JC but didn't do that well thereafter, while others didn't qualify for JC but continued to improve in poly.

[starlight1968sg]

My view is let the child decide bec at this age, he should take charge of his learning journey and life.

[sharonkhoo]

starlight1968sg\" post_id=\"2126679\" time=\"1704794838\" user_id=\"14025:

My view is let the child decide bec at this age, he should take charge of his learning journey and life.

It really depends on the child's maturity. Not all are able to take charge at this age - some develop slower.

[doodbug]

lee_yl\" post_id=\"2126666\" time=\"1704792021\" user_id=\"17023:

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/parenting-education/junior-college-or-polytechnic-how-to-guide-your-child-to-pick-the-right-path

There was a ST article a few days ago on whether to pick JC or Poly.

It was reported that for 2023 cohort, 43% of the Poly students were actually eligible to pick JC

However, about one in three fresh polytechnic graduates (33%) goes on to university, while around four in five A-level graduates (80%) do so.

I am not sure how best to interpret these statistics. I have this impression that instead of going to a lower tier JC, one may have a higher chance to enter Uni via the Poly route. But the numbers don’t seem to tell me so now because out of the 43% (who were eligible for JC but picked Poly instead), only 33% of the Poly students managed to move on to Uni.
This 33% should also include a good number of kids who didn’t do so well for O levels (not eligible for JCs) but did well in Poly to get into university.

A significant proportion of fresh poly grads (which is what the stats refer to), opt to work after getting their diploma, instead of going straight to uni, even if they could go to uni.

Secondly, a significant proportion of poly grads will finish their degrees overseas especially if there are tie-ups with universities that allow them to graduate in a year or two. For example, optometry diploma holders tend to complete their degrees overseas in a short time, than switch to say a 4 year Life Science degree course at NUS.

[zac's mum]

Does it mean that the stats measure only local unis? That is not very accurate then, if we want to trace the true percentage of poly grads who (including eventually somewhere down the road) proceed to get a university degree (local or otherwise). I’m sure the polys survey their alumni?

[lee_yl]

doodbug\" post_id=\"2126687\" time=\"1704806018\" user_id=\"13281:

A significant proportion of fresh poly grads (which is what the stats refer to), opt to work after getting their diploma, instead of going straight to uni, even if they could go to uni.

Secondly, a significant proportion of poly grads will finish their degrees overseas especially if there are tie-ups with universities that allow them to graduate in a year or two. For example, optometry diploma holders tend to complete their degrees overseas in a short time, than switch to say a 4 year Life Science degree course at NUS.

So a significant portion of poly students went for overseas degree course or a significant portion of poly students opt to work after grad from poly? Sounds a bit contradicting to me.

I have friends’ kids who graduated from poly recently. They couldn’t get into local Uni therefore they had to go to work first then reapply after accumulating some years of working experience. It is called “no choice”. Not that they opt to work first. Their parents do not need them to come out to work for money at such a young age.

[Liew Nga Wing]

slmkhoo\" post_id=\"2126684\" time=\"1704797808\" user_id=\"28674:

It really depends on the child's maturity. Not all are able to take charge at this age - some develop slower.

I don't know what happened to the new generation, at the age of 17, still not able to take charge of his or her own learning and future life. For my generation, many of my classmates had already came out to work as full time and financially support their young brothers and sisters. Is it the kids problem or parents problem? Nowadays lot of ‘’妈宝‘’, the parents control everything and the kids no need to think, the parents will arrange everything for them. :drool:

[MrsKiasu]

I m not sure tho. I somehow find the COP for JC ‘don’t have a good spread’ when it comes to digit aggregate. JCs with single digit looks very dense but when comes to double digit it looks very spread out. Could these above average students turning to Poly courses that require single digit agg …thereafter split between local/overseas uni whereas A level students route usually is to local Uni ? Btw, we talking abt local uni right?

[Imp75]

Liew Nga Wing\" post_id=\"2126691\" time=\"1704808701\" user_id=\"195250:[quote=\"Liew Nga Wing\" post_id=2126691 time=1704808701 user_id=195250]
I don't know what happened to the new generation, at the age of 17, still not able to take charge of his or her own learning and future life. For my generation, many of my classmates had already came out to work as full time and financially support their young brothers and sisters. Is it the kids problem or parents problem? Nowadays lot of ‘’妈宝‘’, the parents control everything and the kids no need to think, the parents will arrange everything for them. :drool:[/quote]

I tend to agree our generation people are more resourceful and we are forced to learn and find out what we want as many of our parents are not knowledgeable enough to guide plus choices were much simpler then. Right now, maybe it’s overparenting cos parents are more knowledgeable and kiasu and also the plethora of choices available are astounding so not surprised that a 17y/o is confused or undecided and require guidance.