Anglo-Chinese School (Independent)
-
lee_yl\" post_id=\"2127917\" time=\"1706103076\" user_id=\"17023:
It's not that much of an advantage in those terms: remember that there are a lot of excellent IB candidates in the May exams who apply to the same overseas universities as SG students do. The main advantage in many cases is that it is seen as a broader preparation for a university education. This is reflected in the way some universities use the UCAS tariff system or equivalent (UK) and in the way universities in other countries view the full IB diploma.
BCME with H1 Bio would not qualify for med course. We are digressing as the main point is that IB’s inherent advantage is that Singapore students are pitting against international students.
I guess the most important thread in this discussion is that students taking the IB in SG have chances that are at least as good as those taking the SG-Cambridge A-levels, but for different reasons and in different contexts. Truly talented kids should probably aim for a specialist institution (SOTA, NUS High etc), but the academically bright should choose something they are comfortable with.
One thing I've learned over the last few years since we introduced the IB as a mainstream element in SG education is that parents really need to ask someone with detailed curricular and experiential knowledge. A lot of misinformation goes around, and this leads parents to make choices for their kids that may be less helpful than intended. Sometimes the choices are counterintuitive, you might need to make a tougher choice to give the student better options, for example. -
manorway\" post_id=\"2127919\" time=\"1706103678\" user_id=\"9303:
The same logic applies when comparing with A level kids. RP90 BCME students who never meet the pre-requisite also cannot qualify for local medical school. The RP and IB scores are just proxies to simplify the discussion.
Not digressing. Pointing out the inaccuracy of the above statement that an average kid can meet most UK medical schools' entry requirements of 36 points. Meeting requirements means one must also meet the pre-requisites of HL grades and NOT just looking at the number of IB points.
From HCIS's website:
... average score of 37.7 points. A noteworthy 54.2% of the graduating cohort attained at least 38 points or higher, with 35.9% achieving a score of 40 points and above and as many as 8 students excelled with 44 points. HCIS had cohort of 148 in its 2022 batch, assuming same size in 2023, then 5% score 44 points. I fail to see how that means it is very easy for average students to just go HCIS and score 45 points.
The main point is that IB has an inherent advantage in that Singapore students are pitting against international students.
By the way, where were the claims that it is very easy to score 45 at HCIS? -
lee_yl\" post_id=\"2127921\" time=\"1706104529\" user_id=\"17023:
I think that's an oversimplification because it doesn't at all take into account the subject distribution, nor the peculiar nature of A-level scores (which almost always include GP/PW) as measured against IB scores (all of which include an English Lang/Lit component, for example). I'm entirely sure that the IB has advantages over the SG-Cantab A-levels. I'm equally entirely sure that those A-levels may have some advantages especially in the local arena.
The same logic applies when comparing with A level kids. RP90 BCME students who never meet the pre-requisite also cannot qualify for local medical school. The RP and IB scores are just proxies to simplify the discussion. -
Useful data from ACS (International): [ https://www.acsinternational.edu.sg/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/ACS-International-IBDP-2023-Results-Report-Website.pdf ]
\"ACS (International) is pleased to announce that its students have achieved a pass rate of 96.55% and an average score of 35.41 for the IBDP. This average is likely to be revised upwards after the appeal process is completed. 90.8% of students scored above the world average of 30.24 (May figure), and 19.5% of students achieved a score of 40 or more.\"
Only three perfect scores. And you should see what subjects did particularly well, at the end of the document linked. -
autolycus\" post_id=\"2127922\" time=\"1706105379\" user_id=\"16143:
I am not keen to dwell into too much details as we often end up missing the forest for the trees.
I think that's an oversimplification because it doesn't at all take into account the subject distribution, nor the peculiar nature of A-level scores (which almost always include GP/PW) as measured against IB scores (all of which include an English Lang/Lit component, for example). I'm entirely sure that the IB has advantages over the SG-Cantab A-levels. I'm equally entirely sure that those A-levels may have some advantages especially in the local arena.
For some who think there is no advantage when Singaporeans are pitted against international students, so be it, I don’t need to convince anyone.
I am here to share my experiences.
I have friends whose kids with IB 36-38 pts currently in or have already graduated from overseas med schools recognized by Singapore Medical Council. Something they would not have attained had they taken the A-level route. For this alone, my friends are thankful for the availability of the IB route. -
lee_yl\" post_id=\"2127929\" time=\"1706142492\" user_id=\"17023:
Yes.
I am not keen to dwell into too much details as we often end up missing the forest for the trees.
For some who think there is no advantage when Singaporeans are pitted against international students, so be it, I don’t need to convince anyone.
I am here to share my experiences.
I have friends whose kids with IB 36-38 pts currently in or have already graduated from overseas med schools recognized by Singapore Medical Council. Something they would not have attained had they taken the A-level route. For this alone, my friends are thankful for the availability of the IB route.
Like it or not, this is reality.
This is the truth.
Let the truth (facts / reality), speak for itself.
Of course, with IB score 36-38, local uni for Medicine is definitely out of bound for IB ( ACSI + SJI ) Year 6 graduates. But overseas, is a different story.
Minimum 42, for IB : to qualify, for an interview, with local Yong Loo Lin (NUS) medical school.
I used the word, \"qualify\" only.
Never say, can get admitted in.
Why ?
Because
You (IB students) will face very intense \"fierce\" competition, from
1) with so many Junior College applicants from RI / Hwa Chong, other JCs, etc
+
2) applicants coming in from the 5 Polytechnic (Nanyang / Singapore / Ngee Ann / Temasek / Republic) from the Schools of
- Biomedical
- Pharmaceutical
- Applied Chemisty
- Vetinary (if any)
- Biotechnology.
+
3) applicants, from NUS High
4) applicants, from other IB International schools, not under the umbrella control of MOE.
===========================
Minimum 43, for IB : to qualify, for an interview, with Lee Kong Chian (NTU).
Especially more so now, wef this year 2024 JC (1) batch, where 90 RP points have been re-based to ... 70 RP. Even, fiercer, hotter competition, compared to last year, the final batch of 2023 A-level students (born in year 2006), exiting out of 90 RP, the last batch.
While this is happening, standing on the opposite side, so many A-level Junior College students are fighting so hard, for their As. -
autolycus\" post_id=\"2127926\" time=\"1706113335\" user_id=\"16143:
My few friends with kids in various international schools, don’t expect their children to score perfect 45pts.
Useful data from ACS (International): [ https://www.acsinternational.edu.sg/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/ACS-International-IBDP-2023-Results-Report-Website.pdf ]
\"ACS (International) is pleased to announce that its students have achieved a pass rate of 96.55% and an average score of 35.41 for the IBDP. This average is likely to be revised upwards after the appeal process is completed. 90.8% of students scored above the world average of 30.24 (May figure), and 19.5% of students achieved a score of 40 or more.\"
Only three perfect scores. And you should see what subjects did particularly well, at the end of the document linked.
In fact, they are happy that their kids can score, say, IB38pts to be able to make it to the local Uni. All are thankful that there is an alternate route for their kids, or else they felt that their kids would probably have taken the Poly route joined the workforce before going for further studies.
I don’t know why the need to emphasize “only three perfect scores”. We all know if really want to score 45pts go ACS(I) not ACS International. -
A side qn: why is it that ACS International is allowed to publish how many perfect scorers it has from its 2023 batch? I thought there was some ban on revealing how many perfect scorers from this batch onwards? Since neither SJI nor ACS Independent reported to the media this statistic in Jan 2024 (when they had always previously done so), i inferred that there was a change in instructions from the top somewhere. MOE or IB itself?
-
zac's mum\" post_id=\"2127932\" time=\"1706144296\" user_id=\"53606:[quote=\"zac's mum\" post_id=2127932 time=1706144296 user_id=53606]
(ACSI + SJI ) IB, these 2 schools although called \"Independent\", still fall under the umbrella control of MOE.
A side qn: why is it that ACS International is allowed to publish how many perfect scorers it has from its 2023 batch? I thought there was some ban on revealing how many perfect scorers from this batch onwards? Since neither SJI nor ACS Independent reported to the media this statistic in Jan 2024 (when they had always previously done so), i inferred that there was a change in instructions from the top somewhere. MOE or IB itself?[/quote]
But the other one, ACS \" International \",
not \"Independent\", got nothing to do with MOE (Singapore), at all. They fall under the umbrella of IB International schools. So, they can report the perfect score, if they want to. -
lee_yl\" post_id=\"2127931\" time=\"1706143609\" user_id=\"17023:
I'm just pointing out that the score range tracks with the intake range. It isn't unexpectedly good nor bad. It is what it is. As for ACS(I), it's not that if you want 45 pts you go to ACS(I): it's if you can get into ACS(I), statistically you must be academically advantaged enough to get 45 pts.
My few friends with kids in various international schools, don’t expect their children to score perfect 45pts.
In fact, they are happy that their kids can score, say, IB38pts to be able to make it to the local Uni. All are thankful that there is an alternate route for their kids, or else they felt that their kids would probably have taken the Poly route joined the workforce before going for further studies.
I don’t know why the need to emphasize “only three perfect scores”. We all know if really want to score 45pts go ACS(I) not ACS International.
Hello! It looks like you're interested in this conversation, but you don't have an account yet.
Getting fed up of having to scroll through the same posts each visit? When you register for an account, you'll always come back to exactly where you were before, and choose to be notified of new replies (either via email, or push notification). You'll also be able to save bookmarks and upvote posts to show your appreciation to other community members.
With your input, this post could be even better 💗
Register Login
Online Users
Statistics
Popular Topics