* Nanyang JC (NYJC)

[00skyblue00]

From what I recall, my kid sch did nothing close to PSLE. not much extra from June onwards too. It seems like the new policy of not to over prepare students has gone the opposite direction. My kid practically did nothing and said, teachers told them, they should not study anymore esp the day before exam. Ok, for p6, they shouldn't have to study the day before. But kids like mine, really follow instructions religiously... :slapshead:.... Lol


I prefer a sch with culture where students and teachers all work together and learn together, where everyone got the same goal and keep all focus on it.

\"mugging\" is a slang exaggerated. Is there any evidence that NJYC students were mugging excessively??

[niseko00]

How many President scholars the school produced, this is not important to me. What more important is the school culture and the consistency in delivering good A-level results year on year. As long as my child enjoys learning and is highly motivated in doing so, with selfless classmates supporting one another, caring teachers whom the students may approach anytime they need help, quality tutorial materials and revision package, it is good enough. I can’t be asking for more. These are the main reasons that I feel really proud of this college.

[bbbay]

stetan\" post_id=\"2129993\" time=\"1709269846\" user_id=\"3358:

You should have known that I have not posted for a long time as all my children has passed the JC phase. But I was perturbed to read that many are praising a culture of mugging as a sign of excellence, and that prompted my original post.

If a culture of mugging leads to excellence, then why have NYJC never produced a President scholar in its 50 years of existence?. I am not talking about comparison to RI or HCI or even VJC. How about NJC, TJC and ACJC which had all produced President scholars. It does not correlate, right ? So what is in the culture of these school that is different ?

Note that I am not against mugging, but extreme excessive mugging. The corporate world do not need workers today that are only able to memorize and regurgitate facts and lacking in all other departments.

I think people is just saying NYJC is doing a good job in exceeding academic expectations (through motivating students, in my own words). I don’t think anyone is proclaiming NYJC has been elevated to an excellence all round status. It’s not a competition and not comparing JCs. Same old tune: pick a school that fit the student best. I don’t think mugging (excessive or not) could only mean memorising and regurgitating facts and mugging would also mean lacking in all other departments. Mugging, a Singapore colloquial term for intensive studying. I think it’s possible to enjoy studying. Not many can force teenagers to study intensively and willingly, if the teenagers do not want to.

But I am curious too why NYJC is lacking PS. Not that I think PS is the only measure of achievement (many MPs are not scholars too), but NYJCian don’t like to serve?

[lee_yl]

Kimkar\" post_id=\"2129988\" time=\"1709266403\" user_id=\"36967:

I thk to be fair to NYJC, for years, its name is obscure behind RI, HCI and VJC (when VJ's performace is still ahead of NYJC).

I understand that there isn't any department allocated to scholarship, let alone President or PSC scholarship but just a ESG Councillor to advise and answer questions. Even until today when I look at the briefing slides last week.

But I thk the new principal Mr Pang is making some changes. You can refer to the link below for reference. This is a good start and hopefully he can set up a scholarship department as well if the number of eligible students are on the rise.

https://www.facebook.com/share/p/NVh9fSbtqY1AV1ur/?mibextid=oFDknk

If the school notices and takes action to set up a scholarship department to beef up the students’ interviewing skills, that is indeed going in the right direction.

I mean given the good results of the NYJC students but their scholarships recipients are on the low side (in comparison to RI/HCI/EJC/VJC), then the school is not doing justice to the NYJC students who joined with good O levels results.

[stetan]

bbbay\" post_id=\"2130037\" time=\"1709297712\" user_id=\"175278:

I think people is just saying NYJC is doing a good job in exceeding academic expectations (through motivating students, in my own words). I don’t think anyone is proclaiming NYJC has been elevated to an excellence all round status. It’s not a competition and not comparing JCs. Same old tune: pick a school that fit the student best. I don’t think mugging (excessive or not) could only mean memorising and regurgitating facts and mugging would also mean lacking in all other departments. Mugging, a Singapore colloquial term for intensive studying. I think it’s possible to enjoy studying. Not many can force teenagers to study intensively and willingly, if the teenagers do not want to.

But I am curious too why NYJC is lacking PS. Not that I think PS is the only measure of achievement (many MPs are not scholars too), but NYJCian don’t like to serve?

I am not comparing amongst JC. I am just pointing out the fallacy in glorifying a culture of mugging as the road to excellence. The comparisons made was because NYJC has a lower COP than JCs, such as VJC, NJC, TJC and even ACJC. Yet given its superior student intake, it is still unable to produce a President scholar. The number of PSC scholars by NYJC also pales in comparison to the other JCs. And we all know that in scholarships interviews, the panel takes into account not only academic performance but also other traits of the students e.g articulation, confidence, creativity, personality e.t.c. Why have the other JCs consistently perform better?

We all know for a fact that getting good grades in exam largely depends on your ability to memorise the facts well and to regurgitate them in the exams. And mugging does to a great extent require that. We don't need workers today that only excel in this, ChatGPT itself can do these with ease. We should all strive to put our kids in environment that also have a balance development in other areas.

I have interviewed many Indian FT too. I can tell you that the Indians FT speaks well, manage exceptions well and are confident in their delivery. In Singapore's labour market, where our children have to compete against these FT, academic excellence itself does not always get you the job.

[doodbug]

NYJC has done an amazing job in adding value to its students academically. I think there is a self-selection here - students who opt to join NYJC over the other JCs, consciously know and wish to be pushed and developed academically. After a while we do know the generalisations / broad characteristics of each JC, and it’s great that students have a range of JCs to choose from, including NYJC.


I am not as concerned whether NYJC is producing the number of scholars that commensurates with her academic results. A significant proportion of youths nowadays, even those with high scores, avoid scholarships that come with bonds.

[phtthp]

doodbug\" post_id=\"2130050\" time=\"1709349304\" user_id=\"13281:

NYJC has done an amazing job in adding value to its students academically. I think there is a self-selection here - students who opt to join NYJC over the other JCs, consciously know and wish to be pushed and developed academically. After a while we do know the generalisations / broad characteristics of each JC, and it's great that students have a range of JCs to choose from, including NYJC.

I am not as concerned whether NYJC is producing the number of scholars that commensurates with her academic results. A significant proportion of youths nowadays, even those with high scores, avoid scholarships that come with bonds.

:goodpost:

[lee_yl]

I think there is a difference between being offered scholarships and one decides to reject vs one who needs a scholarship (to go overseas) to ease the burden of the family but cannot get.


I think it’s important or else this new P will not be bothered to set up one new department to help the students with their scholarship applications.

[bbbay]

NUS is ranked ahead of all Ivy League Uni except Harvard (even ahead of Yale and Princeton), and almost all students in local U would have at least 1 semester with a foreign university. Do we still need to look so high up to overseas scholarships like before? It’s still has it’s value add, but it is still worth “an arm or leg”, like before?



https://www.topuniversities.com/world-university-rankings?page=0&tab=indicators

[doodbug]

bbbay\" post_id=\"2130057\" time=\"1709355812\" user_id=\"175278:

NUS is ranked ahead of all Ivy League Uni except Harvard (even ahead of Yale and Princeton), and almost all students in local U would have at least 1 semester with a foreign university. Do we still need to look so high up to overseas scholarships like before? It’s still has it’s value add, but it is still worth “an arm or leg”, like before?

I know I may get flamed for saying this.

By rankings, nobody can deny that NUS and NTU are doing very well. It is the best value for your buck if you are self-paying, from a financial ROI point of view.

But university experience and learning goes beyond rankings. The top universities overseas are a highly selective cohort (Singapore's universities take in the top say, 20-30% of the cohort, many top universities take in the top 2% or some very selective number of their local cohorts). Our local AUs' student population at the undergraduate level is also not that diverse. My point is that students go overseas for a variety of reasons and it's not just rankings. To experience and learn from a different system, to build resilience, to gain access to overseas working opportunities, to gain confidence from a more independent life, and if you read Reddit - some kids just want to get away from Singapore and their parents.