PM Lawrence Wong's NDR - Education Portions
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Giving out scholarships to attract PRC students to come Singapore to study is one way to attract talents.
What caught my eyes is these scholarships are “bond free”. The group of students will start schooling here from sec 3 to JC2 (4yrs duration). Friend sent me a post on Rednote (aka XHS) yesterday about this PRC girl who came over to join RGS then from there she moved on to apply to go MIT. Heard from my friend, there are so many such examples on Rednote. Because of social media, the more one reads, the more one can’t help to feel that Singapore is the playground for PRCians.
If they study here and are grateful to our govt, willing to take up SG citizenship to serve Singapore, I don’t think Singaporeans would say things like “don’t treat us like a fool”
Why these PRC scholars so lucky hor, getting world class education here for 4yrs and yet bond free, but Singaporeans taking up Govt scholarships need to serve a bond of 4-6yrs?
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@bbbay said in PM Lawrence Wong's NDR - Education Portions:
Back in 2019/2020 around 5% of students in pre Uni schools were foreigners. In polytechnics and autonomous universities it was 10%.
https://www.moe.gov.sg/news/parliamentary-replies/20210511-number-of-overseas-singaporean-students-and-international-students-in-singapore#:~:text=Response,AUs)%20in%202019%20and%202020.
This % can be controlled by limiting the number of student/employment passes I suppose.
Foreigners pay much higher fees than local when they study in Singapore.
Our private Uni take in a lot of the foreigners too
It is a matter of calibration. 10% of university places may be okay with you, but if you are the SC student who narrowly missed getting into a course of your choice at NUS or NTU, you may feel that the foreigner percentage should reduce to 5% instead so you stood a good chance. On the other hand, others may feel that 10% is too gentle and not reflective of the Singapore work place which is easily more than 20% foreigners in many work places.
Of course I think the sentiments are exacerbated because a large proportion of foreign students in our universities are receiving scholarships of sorts.
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@lee_yl said in PM Lawrence Wong's NDR - Education Portions:
Giving out scholarships to attract PRC students to come Singapore to study is one way to attract talents.
What caught my eyes is these scholarships are “bond free”. The group of students will start schooling here from sec 3 to JC2 (4yrs duration). Friend sent me a post on Rednote (aka XHS) yesterday about this PRC girl who came over to join RGS then from there she moved on to apply to go MIT. Heard from my friend, there are so many such examples on Rednote. Because of social media, the more one reads, the more one can’t help to feel that Singapore is the playground for PRCians.
If they study here and are grateful to our govt, willing to take up SG citizenship to serve Singapore, I don’t think Singaporeans would say things like “don’t treat us like a fool”
Why these PRC scholars so lucky hor, getting world class education here for 4yrs and yet bond free, but Singaporeans taking up Govt scholarships need to serve a bond of 4-6yrs?
Maybe we need to differentiate scholarships at the university level, and school level. There is generally no bond for PRC or ASEAN scholars at the schooling level; similar to SCs who receive ‘scholarships’ like the EESIS or MOE Pre-University Scholarship though of course the terms aren’t great compared to the scholarships that the PRCs/ASEAN scholars enjoy.
For university scholarships and those on tuition grants, foreigners will have to serve a service obligation in Singapore. I can’t recall how long - is it three years? They can work for any employer, but the employer must be a Singapore company. Singaporeans can also apply for various scholarships at the university level, some which come with bonds, and others, not.
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@lee_yl said in PM Lawrence Wong's NDR - Education Portions:
@bbbay said in PM Lawrence Wong's NDR - Education Portions:
It is to take in more foreigners that can assimilate into our society to become citizen. And only citizens can vote and govern. If a foreigner born student is granted citizenship and is better than my child, in say medicine course selection , I will still be happy because one day I will need medical cares and knowing the doctor attending to me is the best.
Can the foreigners assimilate into our society? Or do they form enclaves and import their national politics and cognitive bias causing all these discord and ground unhappiness?
When their numbers are small, still possible to imagine the larger local population assimilating and integrating them gradually while the second generation after going through the national schools and NS (for guys) are better assimilated. However when the numbers of new migrants reach a critical mass they will only move around in their own circles (even at the workplace or even schools) resulting in enclaves formed, not assimilation.
I agree. Anecdotally, the observation is that we may have reached a stage where assimilation and integration seem to be hindered because there is a critical mass of certain groups that have already given rise to strong cliques, congregation and support groups (I guess what we have termed as enclaves) that it is not as important or necessary for them to try to assimilate or integrate in the broader Singapore society.
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@lee_yl said in PM Lawrence Wong's NDR - Education Portions:
@bbbay said in PM Lawrence Wong's NDR - Education Portions:
Can the foreigners assimilate into our society? Or do they form enclaves and import their national politics and cognitive bias causing all these discord and ground unhappiness?
What is your answer for the queries above? And what is the reason for your answer ?
When their numbers are small, still possible to imagine the larger local population assimilating and integrating them gradually while the second generation after going through the national schools and NS (for guys) are better assimilated. However when the numbers of new migrants reach a critical mass they will only move around in their own circles (even at the workplace or even schools) resulting in enclaves formed, not assimilation.
Any signs now the number will grow for sure and reach that critical mass?
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I think the elephant in the room is PRs. Are PRs under any quota? I seem to think they enjoy the best of both worlds. Enjoy subsidised education here then can just go off to overseas education or enjoy university bond free scholarships locally. First gen PR doesn’t need to serve NS correct?
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@Imp75 said in PM Lawrence Wong's NDR - Education Portions:
I think the elephant in the room is PRs. Are PRs under any quota? I seem to think they enjoy the best of both worlds. Enjoy subsidised education here then can just go off to overseas education or enjoy university bond free scholarships locally. First gen PR doesn’t need to serve NS correct?
1st generation male PRs who are PRs as a student, have to serve NS.
https://ask.gov.sg/ica/questions/clxwhkiyp00hsdsoty0spmyv2PRs are exempt from serving NS if they got their PR-ship as a adult. (Over-aged already, and you would have been evaluated on a different criteria to obtain PR as an adult.)
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To add on, I just found out a new citizen who is below 21, can hold dual citizenship till 21. Which means wow can be a citizen and enjoy all the psle balloting/Sch fees priorities, do well in Sch then get en rolled in elite uni and bid the country goodbye…. Parents just need to be PR to apply for child citizenship. Why is the MoM policy like that? Has this been questioned in parliament before?
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@Imp75 said in PM Lawrence Wong's NDR - Education Portions:
To add on, I just found out a new citizen who is below 21, can hold dual citizenship till 21. Which means wow can be a citizen and enjoy all the psle balloting/Sch fees priorities, do well in Sch then get en rolled in elite uni and bid the country goodbye…. Parents just need to be PR to apply for child citizenship. Why is the MoM policy like that? Has this been questioned in parliament before?
I too, have an issue with this. I wonder how prevalent this is and how many below 21s are granted Singapore citizenship even though their parents are not SCs. I wonder if these new children SCs must undertake to renounce the other citizenship at 21 years old. Many countries (e.g. USA) do not allow renounciation before 21 years old.
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I googled online about the above (can’t locate where I read from) so if its incorrect, please correct me, don’t want to be POFMA or spread wrong info causing unnecessary anxiety lol.
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