Asperger? Hyperactive?
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Hi En
No worries.
Let me see if I can recall some protocols offhand cos currently, my ctr only takes in children with ASD aged below 4.5 yo and AS aged below 7 yo. It's been a long while.
In my practice, children with ASD and AS undergo different social skills training as the latter grp is able to process lg better. Eg Only some children with HFA can access the following curriculum.
http://www.linguisystems.com/toc_samples/1174.pdf
There are some pre-requisites before a child with AS can access at least part of \"higher order\" social skills.
I don't usu use social stories as I find them simplistic/impractical for explaining social contexts of children aged above 7 yo.
I tend not to use ABA for kids with AS and mid-functioning ASD. It may be used to regulate behv, esp anxiety. Structured teaching generally creates rigidity and limitations which create problems (IMHO) in dealing with ambiguous social contexts in later childhood yrs.
I'm not fully aware of potential issues in adolescence and adulthood as I only see children up to 12 years old & I do not specialise in ASD. I think it will be good if you can speak to adult aspies to prepare your child fully.
Of course, one has to exercise common sense when teaching social skills.
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Hi pingsped
Thanks for the samples. That will give me ideas on what to work on. I have been avoiding socialing with other families that have children of the same age of mine mainly because of my daughter (suspected PDD-NOS).
My son shows a classic behaviour of asperger which I have actually share in this forum for the past 1 year. Of course, I did not know the meaning of asperger then. Happily share jokes in \"Kids says the darnest thing\" thread and the locked gifted thread. Verbally he has no issues, just the need of him to share his knowledge on and on without noticing that his listener is not interested. He has no qualms in approaching adults and gives two cents worth of his thoughts. Often I have to go to school to apologize to teachers/school office staff to explain. He is still doing it now which I am trying to correct it.
I read in the wiki that aspergers are likely to be hereditary or combination of both parents genes that carry similar traits (unlike ASD). So for whatever shortcoming that both dh and myself have and I think ds will likely to grow like us if not corrected, are those that I will be tackling.
Just want to share what happen at home yesterday. We'll be going for a trip this Saturday. So, the whole family was busy planning (dh, dd, ds) except me as I'm preoccupied with work. DH was sitting opposite me and I saw he started rocking to and fro. He might have done it before but I might not have notice it. I told him to stop and asked him why was he rocking himself like that? He told me he did it to soothe himself as he is feeling too much stress in planning for the trip. DS happily told me he did it too in school because he was bored. The teacher noticed it and asked him to stop. There are more examples but suffice to say that , I will be exercising common sense when helping ds in his social skills.
Would not want him to scare off his potential girlfriend blabbing one-sided stories about his topic of interest for hours. I've had it and even I as a mother cannot take it.
There's the anxiety, anger and his sensitives that I have to handle too. I know how to tackle anxiety and anger. But at lost on how to get ds to control his emotion (the crying part). -
Hi En mummy
I'm new in KS forum. So I'm still not sure how things work here. I don't usu join forums to chit chat. I'm looking for some info abt how to raise a kid in SG cos I only have experience with special needs kids. LOL didn't want to make any mistake w my 14 mth toddler.
How old is your girl? If she's still a preschooler & with careful planning, it's possible to reach most 5-6 yr-old milestones before she turns 8. She may just make it to regular primary school.
Once a child is verbal, I usu focus mainly on social skills & classroom behv so that he is able to socialise & learn in a regular classroom setting. Otherwise, most kids with ASD just remain isolated.
Try to find families who are supportive and understanding. It's very impt to for your girl to have playmates of same developmental age.
I bring my baby to work once per week. She has a special needs playmate aged 3+ yo last week. He has mild ASD and is non-verbal. My girl is always butting into his affairs. haha... They enjoy dancing together now. DH doesn't know & prob won't like the idea.
I feel that siblings of children with ASD are not adversely affected if parents manage well. I would certainly like my girl to appreciate all of God's creations.
That ref is useful for children aged p3 and above.
Teaching social skills to a child who is not genuinely interested in people - I feel that one will hit the wall somewhere. It's like teaching chinese to a chinese-hater; nothing much goes in & he only uses that knowledge to pass exams & then zilch.
I alway start with having fun or meaningful interactions. I intro the soft skills (app social skills) when the child finds himself in need of some help.EN:
Haha, don't worry. My DH has lots of weird traits too. Sometimes I feel he has a learning disability. Then again, I think I have some ADD traits.Hi pingsped
DH was sitting opposite me and I saw he started rocking to and fro. He might have done it before but I might not have notice it. I told him to stop and asked him why was he rocking himself like that? There are more examples but suffice to say that , I will be exercising common sense when helping ds in his social skills.
Sometimes I worry how my baby will turn out :idea:EN:
Your boy's verbal gaffes sound interesting. (sorry, I was born with a unusu sense of humour). When I think abt parents with AS (like some of my clients), I can only hold my tongue as they usu think there's nothing wrong with them. But it is difficult to achieve \"normalisation\" for them.Would not want him to scare off his potential girlfriend blabbing one-sided stories about his topic of interest for hours. I've had it and even I as a mother cannot take it.
There's the anxiety, anger and his sensitives that I have to handle too. I know how to tackle anxiety and anger. But at lost on how to get ds to control his emotion (the crying part).
Well, if he didn't get upset at onset of incident/event, he probably wouldn't cry. You can try to read up on CBT.
Have a good holiday!
cheers,
Ping -
EN:
[quote]Instead of guessing, I would like to encourage for you to take the first step to go to a polyclinic to ask for referral. I am not sure of the part if KK only accepts child below P1 but I do not think so.
Done so in January. I went to the polyclinic asking to be referred to KKH. I was later told that, only below P1, will be referred to KKH. The rest will be to CGC run by IMH. He is already been labelled as mild asperger but doctor asked me if I would like to drop the case since he is doing well in school & no other issues in social development. I wanted to pursue the case because I am worried how will he cope in the future? NS time especially being away from home for long.
[quote]Thanks for sharing the details. As what I can see, your children should displayed some \"giftness\" in them. But first of all, do you mind if I suggest to you that I think your son may have AS traits. [/quote]Not sure if you have missed this link:
http://www.sengifted.org/articles_counseling/Amend_MisdiagnosisOfAspergersDisorder.shtml
Quote from Supporting Emotional Needs of the Gifted:
[quote]For example, a lack of social or emotional reciprocity is characteristic of Asperger's Disorder while gifted children most often show a tremendous concern for others. They may not always know how to express it appropriately, but the concern is there. [/quote]I know ds shows concern, not only to his classmate that is recently being terrorize by his second language teacher but also to animals plight. I save him using the feeble excuse that he is a very sensitive boy. I shameless use the word asperger (he was loosely labelled when the doctor first met him). But ds wants to know if I managed to help save his friends as well.
[quote]In contrast, they may also show motor clumsiness, and a lack of motivation and attention for activities that would engage age-peers.[/quote]
There's no motor clumsiness at all. He started writing at age 3 or 4. Just simply took a blank piece of paper (printer paper with no lines at all) & wrote A-Z in both big and small letters. Extremely neat. Everything done is precise. Comments noted in kindergarten on physical activities on hopping, running etc very well develop for his age.
[quote]My ex-colleagues also had two AS children, one is gifted in music (piano) and one is very crazy about science. [/quote]I was on the second meet up with the psychologist. At the end of the session, she posed me what is the talent that ds has. She gave me eg like music, art, math etc. I know what he has. There are several. Just need to pace it nicely for him. Otherwise, he will be a burnt out child.
[quote]You see, these children needs a lot of help from the surrounding people including the school. My girl received a lot of help from the teachers and classmates when she was in P1 and P2 which was very critical for her developement. I felt very fortunate that I managed to enrol her to a girl's school which I find its more suitable for her. [/quote]Yes, my daughter has been receiving a lot of help from teachers, classmate, myself and even ds as well. I so admire your tenacity in helping out your daughter.[/quote]
Hi,
I saw you wrote abt Child guidance clinic, I was told if you go thru them, the kid will have record in future. My friend asked me to go private. Can U advise how are they?
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[quote]I saw you wrote abt Child guidance clinic, I was told if you go thru them, the kid will have record in future. My friend asked me to go private. Can U advise how are they? [/quote]
I can't comment objectively as I have not try both. Based on IMH, the first diagnosis was done too quickly. Second diagnosis was more thorough. DS was asked to sit for a series of test, he was observed while playing and dh & myself were being asked a series of question relating to ds growing up characteristics.
Diagnosis were made a few month later. Recommendation made by the clinic and the doctor's talk to my son sound superficial. Which leads me to decide not to continue with another round of follow up session. The letter address to the school does not touch on Asperger issues as a whole nor does it explain what Asperger is. After reading much on Asperger in the web, observing ds, I am definitely a better advocate to my son's issues rather than that half hearted written piece of letter.
I went to polyclinic in January. The 1st appointment with IMH was done quickly. I think it was within a month. But to secure the second appointment, it was supposed to be more than 6 months. We were lucky to receive an empty slot earlier. So, going through IMH, will take at least 8 months before you get the full diagnosis. -
Hi, my DS is in K1 this yr. Last yr, the teacher of my DS 's ccc ask me to get a referral from polyclinic to see the doctor at KKH. I waited for abt 5mths before DS finally get to see the doctor at KKH. The doctor says that it is hard to get a conclusion from just 1 hr of observing DS playing. We waited for another 3mths to see the Occupational Therapist (OT). Now, the doctor says that based on the OT's finding, it seems that my DS has Aspergers Syndrome.
Now we are referred to see the psychologist (to confirm the OT's finding) and speech therapist. But the waiting time is abt 7mths. I was told by the KKH that the visit will cost abt $300 for the 4hr session. Does anyone has any recommendation for a good psychologist in private practice? I am hoping to send my DS for second opinion which does not require such a long wait.
I have read up few books abt AS and I am quite convinced that DS has AS. I really hope that someone can advise me how to help my DS. :?: -
I feel really sad to have to tell you this. My ds4 has been diagnosed, misdiagnosed, rediagnosed and prediagnosed by 4 different psychologists here.I'm coming to a point where I've lost much hope.
What I'm resolved to do is to find help for him to function as normally as possible in the society. There area few good psych I've been to but only one who is really sharp enough to offer help. She has a long, long wait list, which means I can't even get much access.
I hope your problem is less complicated than mine and I do hope you can find a solution.
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EN:
My son shows a classic behaviour of asperger which I have actually share in this forum for the past 1 year. Of course, I did not know the meaning of asperger then. Happily share jokes in \"Kids says the darnest thing\" thread and the locked gifted thread.
Hi EN,
What u described seems to fit my ds too! I used to share the things that he said as jokes with others but come to think his words does demonstrate his inability to read between the lines.
Here is a recent example: His 3 year old brother is throwing a tantrum, insisting that his father \"say sorry to him\". The father said \"I will use the cane to say sorry to u\" and my 7 year old said \"Why use cane? u got sore throat huh?\"EN:[quote=\"EN\"]Verbally he has no issues, just the need of him to share his knowledge on and on without noticing that his listener is not interested. He has no qualms in approaching adults and gives two cents worth of his thoughts.
His teacher has been complaining about him doing funny things in school.[quote]
He also like to share his tots and spend a lot of time analysing some very trivial matter. For example, when a family member is not coming home for dinner, he will list out all the possible reasons that he can think of for the absence.
but he can be quite sensitive at times. Just last week, when he finished the last story book borrowed from the library, he asked me to bring him to the library immediately. When I refused, he burst into tears.
Am I over worried? He seems to have some of the AS symptoms but I can't be sure. -
When I first read the symptoms of Asperger's listed below,
- Social awkwardness / no friends
- Obsessions / focused on one subject
- Lack of eye contact
- Sensitivity to noise / touch / feel of clothing
- Slow to begin talking
- Odd speech / extreme logic / very proper speech
- Anger / aggression / hitting others
- Craves ROUTINE!
- Appears lost / in own world
- Flapping hands
- Communication problems or motor skills problems
- Stimming behavior
I believed my son had many, many of them. He did not have friends. However, ever since he was moved to the gifted program, he started to have a few good friends he shared common interests with, he did not have any obsession. He has good eye contact, he is sensitive to noise, he started speaking early, he does have very proper speech and use very 'cheem' vocabulary. He did hit out on others on many occasions, he does not crave routine, and does appear lost in his own world, no flapping, and has motor skills problems, but no stimming behavior.
When the psychologist labeled him AS, I had no problem at all, because of the many aspects of AS he did show. In recent months, things changed quite a bit. As I research more, I realized that DS2 is probably not AS. Read this. http://talentdevelop.com/articles/MADDOGC.html
Yes, he does have sensory issues which led to motor skills deficiency, behavioral problems, and his giftedness led to his inability to communicate and be understood by his peers in a mainstream class.
So do be careful here. Unfortunately, there aren't many in Singapore (or in the world) who can help with the differentiating the two, and most psychologists are trained to diagnose the learning disability part and not identify the giftedness. As parents, we know our children the best. Look out for these. There are much more gifted children in our midst then we ever know. Just that many are wrong categorized as having learning disabilities. To a large extent, it looks like the ones who are highly gifted who are more likely misdiagnosed, because the overexcitabilities intensifies the more gifted you are; the overexcitabilities do manifest themselves like ADHD or ADD and sometimes Asperger's.
The mildly/moderately gifted ones do the best in schools (top 1%), the ones in the top 0.1% and those in the no-man's land are frequently underachievers and often go undetected. So make sure your little genius is not given the wrong label. -
HI 2ppaamm,
Thanks for yr reply. I agreed that as parents, we know our children best and we should have faith in our judgement. However, I am still affected whenever the teacher called up to complain about his behaviour and it breaks my heart to see him shunned by his classmates. I think I see the AS traits in a close relative and I read somewhere that AS is hereditary.
PS : DH said I am over reacting.
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