7 New IP schools

[Nebbermind]

verykiasu2010:

then become SCBGS ? i think not many boys would want to apply lah ..... swamped by girls

so do the boys gets to wear sleeveless tops too??!! :!:

[verykiasu2010]

Nebbermind:

verykiasu2010:

then become SCBGS ? i think not many boys would want to apply lah ..... swamped by girls

so do the boys gets to wear sleeveless tops too??!! :!:

haha

remember those years when Faithfield MGS became co-ed ? there were some \"uneasiness\" too.....kind of funny thing to see the boys in the colours of the girl school....

so we imagine boys in light blue pants / shorts and light blue sleeveless shirt ......lol

[dunnoleh]

verykiasu2010:

... 18 schools x 450 per intake = 8100....so may be 20%

oh yes, 20%! heard this magic number recently, i'm sure. :lol:

that's what our local unis are given, compared to places like beida/tsinghua, who get the top 0.??%, right?
just a passing thought... :lol:

[jtoh]

verykiasu2010:

jtoh:

I'm not sure I agree with you. I understand what you're saying about demand and supply etc, as a whole. But looking at individual schools, these schools should enjoy a higher COP with their IP status as compared to their before IP status. Why? Because there is a higher demand for the school and if number of vacances is unchanged, the COP should increase.

Schools with no IP status will see a fall in their COP because the better students will now all have opted for the IP schools.

Say for eg. MGS gets IP status and SCGS doesn't. If I score 255 and I qualify for both schools, I would choose MGS over SCGS (assuming I do not have loyalty to either.) Even if I am an ex-SCGS girl, I'd seriously consider MGS because there's the IP advantage.

there is only a limited supply of those 250 and above, viz MOE cut it at 10% of each cohort. unless MOE inflat the t-score by setting 250 as the 15% cut off line, or even higher % (high % = lower t-score)

each year only about 40+ thousand sitting for PSLE, going forward some years could be below 40k as some years have only 30+k babies...even plus foreign students...so 10% as it is now will yield only around 4000 students with t-score 250 and above, based on present MOE bell curve for PSLE t-score

18 schools x 450 per intake = 8100....so may be 20%

My view is that we shouldn't generalize that all the new IP schools will experience a drop in COPs. It really depends on the school and what it's offering. As I mentioned in earlier, top IP schools like RI and HCI will not be impacted by the new IPs because they have established programmes and are able to attract the very best. For the new IPs, if they are able to offer sound programmes which are even better than their existing O level programs, coupled with the attraction of a thru-train, their COPs will definitely go up because there will be demand for such programmes. Assuming schools like SCGS and MGS get IP status, they already command COPs of more than 250. I don't see these falling with an increase in demand for places (ceteris paribas).

As you pointed out, there will be more places available than the 4000 students scoring >250. Students who score <250 and gain entry into an IP school will not gain entry into the traditionally better schools who've always enjoyed COPs of 250. These will then go to the other IP schools who traditionally have not enjoyed COPs of >250. Say St Margarets as a purely hypothetical example.

With regard to falling birth rates etc, yes, in that instance COPs will fall across ALL schools, not just IP schools, new or old.

[verykiasu2010]

dunnoleh:

verykiasu2010:

... 18 schools x 450 per intake = 8100....so may be 20%

oh yes, 20%! heard this magic number recently, i'm sure. :lol:

that's what our local unis are given, compared to places like beida/tsinghua, who get the top 0.??%, right?
just a passing thought... :lol:

haha, if you want beida and tsinghua, you should aim for HCI and top the cohort there and you will be on the way to beida / tsinghua / fudan....all expenses paid and no entrance test needed....aka DSA !

[dunnoleh]

eh… what i mean is this 20% here already bery good liao! me not kidding hor, can see so much resources being pumped into this group. it’ll really do them a lot of good.

[joconde]

somehow, i see the introduction of more IP sch as a move to create more oppty for students weak in MT to enter good sec schools, following the failed attempt to reduce PSLE MT weightage

[WeiHan]

verykiasu2010:

jtoh:

I'm not sure I agree with you. I understand what you're saying about demand and supply etc, as a whole. But looking at individual schools, these schools should enjoy a higher COP with their IP status as compared to their before IP status. Why? Because there is a higher demand for the school and if number of vacances is unchanged, the COP should increase.

Schools with no IP status will see a fall in their COP because the better students will now all have opted for the IP schools.

Say for eg. MGS gets IP status and SCGS doesn't. If I score 255 and I qualify for both schools, I would choose MGS over SCGS (assuming I do not have loyalty to either.) Even if I am an ex-SCGS girl, I'd seriously consider MGS because there's the IP advantage.

there is only a limited supply of those 250 and above, viz MOE cut it at 10% of each cohort. unless MOE inflat the t-score by setting 250 as the 15% cut off line, or even higher % (high % = lower t-score)

each year only about 40+ thousand sitting for PSLE, going forward some years could be below 40k as some years have only 30+k babies...even plus foreign students...so 10% as it is now will yield only around 4000 students with t-score 250 and above, based on present MOE bell curve for PSLE t-score

18 schools x 450 per intake = 8100....so may be 20%

I think your analysis is wrong.

Not all schools will have all their 450 intakes with scores over 250. Even ACSI does not have all their intakes above 250. They still have affiliated primary schools where they are obliged to take in weaker students. You can check MGS, SCGS, SNG etc...many have cutoff point of 22+ or 23+ for their affiliated primary schools. The point for these schools going IP is not to raise their cutoff points. The fact is that these schools have a fair number of students with score above 250, 260 or even 270 each year. These students are qualified for IP but the schools they have chosen are not IP like SNG, SCGS etc...Like I have said, these are very small number in these schools and like I have said, it is a resource issue to offer IP in these schools with too little qualifies students.

[verykiasu2010]

joconde:

somehow, i see the introduction of more IP sch as a move to create more oppty for students weak in MT to enter good sec schools, following the failed attempt to reduce PSLE MT weightage

that is what I thought

well at least this quarter is taken care of

[verykiasu2010]

WeiHan:

verykiasu2010:

[quote=\"jtoh\"]


I'm not sure I agree with you. I understand what you're saying about demand and supply etc, as a whole. But looking at individual schools, these schools should enjoy a higher COP with their IP status as compared to their before IP status. Why? Because there is a higher demand for the school and if number of vacances is unchanged, the COP should increase.

Schools with no IP status will see a fall in their COP because the better students will now all have opted for the IP schools.

Say for eg. MGS gets IP status and SCGS doesn't. If I score 255 and I qualify for both schools, I would choose MGS over SCGS (assuming I do not have loyalty to either.) Even if I am an ex-SCGS girl, I'd seriously consider MGS because there's the IP advantage.

there is only a limited supply of those 250 and above, viz MOE cut it at 10% of each cohort. unless MOE inflat the t-score by setting 250 as the 15% cut off line, or even higher % (high % = lower t-score)

each year only about 40+ thousand sitting for PSLE, going forward some years could be below 40k as some years have only 30+k babies...even plus foreign students...so 10% as it is now will yield only around 4000 students with t-score 250 and above, based on present MOE bell curve for PSLE t-score

18 schools x 450 per intake = 8100....so may be 20%

I think your analysis is wrong.

Not all schools will have all their 450 intakes with scores over 250. Even ACSI does not have all their intakes above 250. They still have affiliated primary schools where they are obliged to take in weaker students. You can check MGS, SCGS, SNG etc...many have cutoff point of 22+ or 23+ for their affiliated primary schools. The point for these schools going IP is not to raise their cutoff points. The fact is that these schools have a fair number of students with score above 250, 260 or even 270 each year. These students are qualified for IP but the schools they have chosen are not IP like SNG, SCGS etc...Like I have said, these are very small number in these schools and like I have said, it is a resource issue to offer IP in these schools with too little qualifies students.[/quote]you said it

it won't raise the cut off points of the new IP schools, notwithstanding the demand for the places in these new IP schools. that is my pov

on the other hand, MOE can make all things look beautiful by lowering the cut off line of the magic t-score of 250. instead of 10%, it can start to look at 20%....and certainly then many entrants to IP schools will have t-scores higher than 250