7 New IP schools

[wonderm]

verykiasu2010:

jtoh:

I'm not sure I agree with you. I understand what you're saying about demand and supply etc, as a whole. But looking at individual schools, these schools should enjoy a higher COP with their IP status as compared to their before IP status. Why? Because there is a higher demand for the school and if number of vacances is unchanged, the COP should increase.

Schools with no IP status will see a fall in their COP because the better students will now all have opted for the IP schools.

Say for eg. MGS gets IP status and SCGS doesn't. If I score 255 and I qualify for both schools, I would choose MGS over SCGS (assuming I do not have loyalty to either.) Even if I am an ex-SCGS girl, I'd seriously consider MGS because there's the IP advantage.

there is only a limited supply of those 250 and above, viz MOE cut it at 10% of each cohort. unless MOE inflat the t-score by setting 250 as the 15% cut off line, or even higher % (high % = lower t-score)

each year only about 40+ thousand sitting for PSLE, going forward some years could be below 40k as some years have only 30+k babies...even plus foreign students...so 10% as it is now will yield only around 4000 students with t-score 250 and above, based on present MOE bell curve for PSLE t-score

18 schools x 450 per intake = 8100....so may be 20%

I think the total number of students in IP won't be as big even with 18 IP schools. Even today, for school like ACSI which runs dual track, their Sec 1 IB programme intake is only 180, not 450. For the 7 new IP schools, I doubt their Sec 1 IP programme intake will be 450, probably 150 or even less. Hence, you won't get such a big number. On the other hand, I agree that with more intake, the COP will be lower, but you are referring to \"'lower COP\" for IP programme, it is not the same as saying \"lower COP for a particular school\", right? For a specific school, if it gets to run IP, its COP may increase, even though could be slight increase.

[verykiasu2010]

wonderm:

I think the total number of students in IP won't be as big even with 18 IP schools. Even today, for school like ACSI which runs dual track, their Sec 1 IB programme intake is only 180, not 450. For the 7 new IP schools, I doubt their Sec 1 IP programme intake will be 450, probably 150 or even less. Hence, you won't get such a big number. On the other hand, I agree that with more intake, the COP will be lower, but you are referring to \"'lower COP\" for IP programme, it is not the same as saying \"lower COP for a particular school\", right? For a specific school, if it gets to run IP, its COP may increase, even though could be slight increase.

of course the 450 x 18 is an eventual possibility, though may not be immediate

take for eg ACSI, running dual track IP and O level, do you expect the COP of the school to drop or go up ?

So far in all our discussion we are all talking about the cop of the school as a whole....and thus expanding the IP to more schools means more IP students as a whole (excl O level and also excl those who choose not to be in IP school nor IP program)...thus the COP for the IP track will still drop esp for newer IP schools due to larger IP intake as a whole ...... there are only so many students with 250 & above to go round.

[WeiHan]

verykiasu2010:

wonderm:

I think the total number of students in IP won't be as big even with 18 IP schools. Even today, for school like ACSI which runs dual track, their Sec 1 IB programme intake is only 180, not 450. For the 7 new IP schools, I doubt their Sec 1 IP programme intake will be 450, probably 150 or even less. Hence, you won't get such a big number. On the other hand, I agree that with more intake, the COP will be lower, but you are referring to \"'lower COP\" for IP programme, it is not the same as saying \"lower COP for a particular school\", right? For a specific school, if it gets to run IP, its COP may increase, even though could be slight increase.

of course the 450 x 18 is an eventual possibility, though may not be immediate

take for eg ACSI, running dual track IP and O level, do you expect the COP of the school to drop or go up ?

So far in all our discussion we are all talking about the cop of the school as a whole....and thus expanding the IP to more schools means more IP students as a whole (excl O level and also excl those who choose not to be in IP school nor IP program)...thus the COP for the IP track will still drop esp for newer IP schools due to larger IP intake as a whole ...... there are only so many students with 250 & above to go round.

I know what you are talking about...The PM already said that PSLE results should not represent a person last chance. Students who only get 24+ or even 23+ in their psle but have joined these new IP schools can still join the IP programme later in sec 2 or sec 3 if they prove themeselves. In that sense, the \"COP\" will be reduced and more students will take part in IP. But disagree in a sense that MOE necessarily lower the bar for IP at psle .

[dunnoleh]

WeiHan:

... I know what you are talking about...The PM already said that PSLE results should not represent a person last chance. Students who only get 24+ or even 23+ in their psle but have joined these new IP schools can still join the IP programme later in sec 2 or sec 3 if they prove themeselves. In that sense, the \"COP\" will be reduced and more students will take part in IP. But disagree in a sense that MOE necessarily lower the bar for IP at psle .

with more resources put in place, more students(20%? ) can and will join the IP track, KSP forum will make sure of that, right? :lol:

the position of this \"bar\" only depends on how PSLE exam questions are answered.
its MOE's job to keep this bar as high as possible, and Kaisu parents to pray that our children can clear it.

[phankao]

zeemimi:

tankee:

When is the expected announcement?

Straits Times reported that will be tomorrow. Wed.

Waiting with bated breath then. Was speaking with a tr just now and i they say they know, but have to \"zip mouth\".

[Pen88n]

wonderm:

verykiasu2010:

[quote=\"jtoh\"]


I'm not sure I agree with you. I understand what you're saying about demand and supply etc, as a whole. But looking at individual schools, these schools should enjoy a higher COP with their IP status as compared to their before IP status. Why? Because there is a higher demand for the school and if number of vacances is unchanged, the COP should increase.

Schools with no IP status will see a fall in their COP because the better students will now all have opted for the IP schools.

Say for eg. MGS gets IP status and SCGS doesn't. If I score 255 and I qualify for both schools, I would choose MGS over SCGS (assuming I do not have loyalty to either.) Even if I am an ex-SCGS girl, I'd seriously consider MGS because there's the IP advantage.

there is only a limited supply of those 250 and above, viz MOE cut it at 10% of each cohort. unless MOE inflat the t-score by setting 250 as the 15% cut off line, or even higher % (high % = lower t-score)

each year only about 40+ thousand sitting for PSLE, going forward some years could be below 40k as some years have only 30+k babies...even plus foreign students...so 10% as it is now will yield only around 4000 students with t-score 250 and above, based on present MOE bell curve for PSLE t-score

18 schools x 450 per intake = 8100....so may be 20%

I think the total number of students in IP won't be as big even with 18 IP schools. Even today, for school like ACSI which runs dual track, their Sec 1 IB programme intake is only 180, not 450. For the 7 new IP schools, I doubt their Sec 1 IP programme intake will be 450, probably 150 or even less. Hence, you won't get such a big number. On the other hand, I agree that with more intake, the COP will be lower, but you are referring to \"'lower COP\" for IP programme, it is not the same as saying \"lower COP for a particular school\", right? For a specific school, if it gets to run IP, its COP may increase, even though could be slight increase.[/quote]Actually not all IP schools intake is 450. Currently, NJC and NUSH are doing at 150 - 200 for Sec 1 intake and another 150 - 200 at Sec 3 level. So if you look at PSLE cut-off intake, it will not be 20% of cohort, maybe nearer to 10 - 15%, with potential to increase over the coming years.

[dunnoleh]

joconde:

somehow, i see the introduction of more IP sch as a move to create more oppty for students weak in MT to enter good sec schools, following the failed attempt to reduce PSLE MT weightage

a booboo that turned into a blessing in disguise for many? hee hee

[verykiasu2010]

dunnoleh:

joconde:

somehow, i see the introduction of more IP sch as a move to create more oppty for students weak in MT to enter good sec schools, following the failed attempt to reduce PSLE MT weightage

a booboo that turned into a blessing in disguise for many? hee hee

when there is a will there is way

[Brenda10]

verykiasu2010:

dunnoleh:

[quote=\"joconde\"]somehow, i see the introduction of more IP sch as a move to create more oppty for students weak in MT to enter good sec schools, following the failed attempt to reduce PSLE MT weightage

a booboo that turned into a blessing in disguise for many? hee hee

when there is a will there is way[/quote]Like building of HDB? They can still add in more new IP school if there is a need.

[verykiasu2010]

why the sudden opening of "floodgate" - 7 new IP schools overnite while some of the well known schools have been applying applying and being told the door is shut ?


why don’t the MOE spell out all the requirements of an IP school and if any school think they are ready, they can apply, and subject to MOE audit, holding period to observe that the requirements are really met and operating, then approve that application for IP ? instead of a sudden floodgate ?

can’t help the public’s view of it being reactionary instead of a steady policy process that could be expected to function regardless of …