Is there such thing as 'musical maturity'?

[jce]

I’d say try a different teacher that will hopefully approach teaching your son in a different manner. I think it’s a communication problem. Your son may be weak in the rhythmic aspect and hence need to build up on that. If your son "enjoys playing that piano" then that’s already a bonus point. At this young age, practising won’t come naturally for most. You’ll probably have to set out a routine practising time for him daily. As it goes, it really is practice makes perfect. Encourage him and show him how practice can make a difference.

[fristrom]

I know a little bit of music myself. Didn’t realise how difficult "music" is until I have to help my daughter. At such young age, many concepts are too abstract to understand, and there are just too many things to learn in one go.


If your son’s problem is with rhythm, it might be a good idea if you can record the teacher when he/she plays. Before your son sit down at the bench for his practice, open the score, play the recording and ask him to clap. If he can’t clap it correctly, it would only be more difficult for him to play on the piano.

Another thing you may like to consider is to stop the piano and try a drum class. I found drum class a lot of fun, and is simplier for kids as they only have to worry about the rhythm, not the note. Regardless of what instrument you son picks up later, if he wishes to, building a good foundation in rhythm is important.

BTW, metronome is useful, but I found that introducing it too early only makes it more confusing to the kid.

[MMM]

My son started individual piano learning at 4. He is P2 now.... So imagine the no. of years of investment we had on him. I've never really enforced grading as I wanted them to enjoy piano.


All along, he has not been practising regularly. We had fair share of challenges along the way. Eg. a young teacher who uses lots of exclamation marks in his communication book saying that if he don't practise, don't come to class!!! I was pissed off by that incident and asked to change to another teacher right away.

This year, he started band as his CCA. We also changed to home piano lesson. Around 2 months ago, he started to take piano seriously. He would practise everyday and we didn't even have to nag at him. He also came back telling me that one of his classmates is already a grade 3 while he hasn't gotten anything.... He asked how fast he can move up the grade and said he wants to do his grade 1 asap. Well.... FINALLY???? I spoke to his piano teacher and it's like finally it appears that he knows what he wants and he wants to do exam and continue piano because he enjoys it and NOT because we want him to. This was what we've been trying to drive from day 1 and have been \"investing\" all these years. Hopefully this is sustainable as his teacher also cautions me against changing desires.

[hardworking_mom]

Thanks jce, fristrom, MMM for your replies. Think I will try harder to practice rhythm counts with him. I even ask the teacher if there is any CD available that will help children learning piano. Because the lesson is only half an hour, if you are not fully prepared(able to play lessons learnt), it will create undue stress on the child. I was told that for every lesson, she would try to introduce a new song. I wondered if this is the learning pace set for all music school. Or if there is more creative way in learning piano for children? :?

[compvale]

Hi


In my view it is time to change to another teacher. My DD1 also had an impatient teacher some years back. As she was lectured at every lesson, eventually she decided to stop learning. Suggested getting another teacher for her but she was too discourged to try again it just stopped there.

[peanut_butter]

hardworking_mom:

I wondered if this is the learning pace set for all music school. Or if there is more creative way in learning piano for children?

C** school does have an guideline telling their teachers to promote students up at least a grade/year. There are always creative way to learn and teach piano. It's the practicing part that's the issue.

[fristrom]

hardworking_mom:

I was told that for every lesson, she would try to introduce a new song. I wondered if this is the learning pace set for all music school. Or if there is more creative way in learning piano for children? :?

I don't know what pace is expected by the school/teacher. What I think is more important is your expectation: what do you expect your son to learn when you send him to the piano class?

Learning music (or anything) is like building a house. If the foundation is shaky, there is no point adding more. If one new song a week is too much for your son, why don't you ask the teacher to do half a song per week? If half a song is still much, why not one line?

[jce]

As a teacher myself, I don’t apply this "rule", if the child is not ready for a new piece then I won’t add a new piece. As Fristrom mentioned, if the foundation is shaky why pile on more

[Faun]

fristrom:

Another thing you may like to consider is to stop the piano and try a drum class. I found drum class a lot of fun, and is simplier for kids as they only have to worry about the rhythm, not the note. Regardless of what instrument you son picks up later, if he wishes to, building a good foundation in rhythm is important.

BTW, metronome is useful, but I found that introducing it too early only makes it more confusing to the kid.

I fully agree with fristrom. It's good for small children to start music with percussion instrument first. Then, if they want to play notes, they can start on a xylophone. They can learn a lot on rhythm and counting the beats as they play individually and with others.

[Faun]

peanut_butter:

hardworking_mom:

I wondered if this is the learning pace set for all music school. Or if there is more creative way in learning piano for children?

C** school does have an guideline telling their teachers to promote students up at least a grade/year. There are always creative way to learn and teach piano. It's the practicing part that's the issue.

Don't know about you guys, but I feel that a bit of through-train is good for the student. Imagine 8 exams for 8 grades. The happiest people is the $ABRSM$. One naturally wants to give his best in the exam and practiced like mad just like PSLE, so stressful and so much time spent to refine the 3 pieces. I think if possible, instead of one grade per year, make it 2 grades alternate year. If necessary, take 3 years instead of 2 years to prepare for
the exam. In between exam years, do repertoire of different style of music. It's much more fun this way.

I'm not a music person but I see this way works for my dd. it's much less stressful and more enjoyable.

Ideally, it's best to play by ear whether to take exam base on the kid's ability and time availability rather than fixing a schedule.


BTW, hardworking-mom,

I seriously think you should change a teacher. She sounds terrible. Like MMM said, the school concert band is a great place to encourage his music
learning but do take note that it's requires a lot of time commitment.