Discussion on Dr Ong Teck Chin

[Muffins]

What about this:


Dr. Ong is innocent, and this teacher was his assistant.

Because he was angry that OTC had fired him, he had turned a little :siao: When OTC had stepped out, who says he couldn't have left his phone there to charge, or that he left his email on, to save time from logging in. This assistant, could have himself sent messages and emails. And who would keep thosse messages? If I were him, getting those types of messages from someone, I wouldn't keep them, I would delete them, unless I knew that he was going to be interrogated by the police about it.

What do you guys think?

[verykiasu2010]

Muffins:

What about this:


Dr. Ong is innocent, and this teacher was his assistant.

Because he was angry that OTC had fired him, he had turned a little :siao: When OTC had stepped out, who says he couldn't have left his phone there to charge, or that he left his email on, to save time from logging in. This assistant, could have himself sent messages and emails. And who would keep thosse messages? If I were him, getting those types of messages from someone, I wouldn't keep them, I would delete them, unless I knew that he was going to be interrogated by the police about it.

What do you guys think?

Then all the more OTC must not resign hastily. Be should lodge a police report on criminal trespass and misuse of computer, and throw that accuser to Changi Hilton. He should be more clever than a non-contest and quit hastily to say want to go overseas to accumulate experience with a heart problem and suspected heart attack

[autumnbronze]

verykiasu2010:

Muffins:

What about this:


Dr. Ong is innocent, and this teacher was his assistant.

Because he was angry that OTC had fired him, he had turned a little :siao: When OTC had stepped out, who says he couldn't have left his phone there to charge, or that he left his email on, to save time from logging in. This assistant, could have himself sent messages and emails. And who would keep thosse messages? If I were him, getting those types of messages from someone, I wouldn't keep them, I would delete them, unless I knew that he was going to be interrogated by the police about it.

What do you guys think?

Then all the more OTC must not resign hastily. Be should lodge a police report on criminal trespass and misuse of computer, and throw that accuser to Changi Hilton. He should be more clever than a non-contest and quit hastily to say want to go overseas to accumulate experience with a heart problem and suspected heart attack

Sometimes things cannot be perceived in black and white

because

in reality

there are always always (repetition deliberate) shades of grey ....


Let me tell a story.

Fact or fiction - you all decide.

There was once a teacher teaching in quite a reputable school. This teacher found out through one of his student's blog that one of them had paid another classmate to do his project work for him.

Now, this teacher had just started his teaching career. Being new, he approached another teacher to seek advice. This colleague advised him to lodge a report to his HOD so as to prevent similar happenings in other levels/departments.

Which he did. But there was no formal investigation done and suffice to say, it would have been a long drawn investigation with uncertain conclusions. It was just decided that the project work grades will not be reflected as CA marks.

Then some months later, after the ranking exercise, the teacher was slapped with an unfavorable rank. The reason given was that the teacher was negligent in ensuring that the pupil's work was done by themselves. (Actually, there was another matter that cropped up which happened during a class test in which the teacher once again had to lodge a report. This time investigations were conducted without the teacher present nor was the teacher ever consulted. The teacher was only informed much later, that the matter had been sorted by the DM).

My question is (going back to the project work) - how can the teacher be considered as being 'negligent' when the kids are given several weeks to finish up their project work on their own at home. To be considered as negligent, this can only happen if there is direct plagerism involved and if the standard of the student's project work vastly differs (if the student is relatively weak in that subject and suddenly does very well in the PW) from his normal school work and the teacher was not alert enough to detect it. In this case, there was no disparity.

Also, it was never proved that the 'poster' had posted the truth or had done it out of spite.

Apart from the incidents mentioned, the teacher had done very well in other areas of his work.

So another question - did the teacher do the right thing in lodging the report??

It can be said that sometimes, in one's professional work life, best to leave some things unsaid .... it shouldn't be so, but I do believe that it is so.

Food for thought, if I may suggest :idea:

Actually, I just wanted to share another perspective of this saga. I do not know the said \"accused\" or his family, nor have any links/ties/relatives or vested interests etc .... with/in the school.

And ohhhh, I do see myself somewhat aligned with 3boys' and 2ppaamm's train of thought in this matter.

Just my VERY humble opinion

[atutor2001]

Sorry, tried very hard to find similarities but can’t find - don’t know how to link the 2 episodes.

[verykiasu2010]

those are totally different kind of scenarios for any comparison at all


越描越黑

one has the position of power and top authority, the other has not

one is a newbie, the other is an old bird who sets the system

[autumnbronze]

Its okie, I did not expect all to see the similarities. Especially when the stone has been cast from their point of view.


From the very long story that didn’t seem to have any bearing at all, here’s the similarity (to me at least) - one was disproved (and not that he had done anything wrong) without ‘proper investigation.’ The other is being cast negatively by members of the public even before there is any official conclusion to the proper investigation.

Is that obvious now?? If not, like I said, its okie. To each his own.

Doesn’t matter to me whether one is a Newbie or one is in a position of power (errrrrrr, but he doesn’t hold THE ultimate authority right??).

They are both humans.

Anyway, coming back to the subject matter, or person, why is there an intense need to want to prove him (or want him to be) guilty when an official ‘verdict’ is not out yet?

But then again this is a public forum, and we are free to express our views, right??

No need to respond to this post. I will not be able to have the time to follow up on this thread. Too intense in a warped sense.

Again, my VERY humble opinion.

[Nebbermind]

think mankind just love the smell of blood!! :lol:


I was just wondering whether all these speculations can be considered cyber-bullying? :?

[atutor2001]

Piggy Lim:

Hi

Just like to know if IB students are not well accepted (entry) into local Uni. Heard those who take IB will most likely have to go oversea Uni. Is this true? My son is now in ACS(J) just want to find out more from experience mom. Thanks!

This one should be rumour. Otherwise there will be tons of complaints in the press.

[atutor2001]

Nebbermind:

think mankind just love the smell of blood!! :lol:


I was just wondering whether all these speculations can be considered cyber-bullying? :?

It is more a case of trust in the school Board. If the whole incident is found to be an unfounded allegation subsequently, it will be very awkward for the school Board . The board has accepted his resignation so quickly and starts searching for a new principal. A rational reaction expected from the board (to accommodate his request because of health reason) would be to persuade him to stay on till the end of the year so as to minimise disruption. Unless we add in a new dimension to the conspiracy theory - someone in the board is also involved......

[Muffins]

verykiasu2010:

Muffins:

What about this:


Dr. Ong is innocent, and this teacher was his assistant.

Because he was angry that OTC had fired him, he had turned a little :siao: When OTC had stepped out, who says he couldn't have left his phone there to charge, or that he left his email on, to save time from logging in. This assistant, could have himself sent messages and emails. And who would keep thosse messages? If I were him, getting those types of messages from someone, I wouldn't keep them, I would delete them, unless I knew that he was going to be interrogated by the police about it.

What do you guys think?

Then all the more OTC must not resign hastily. Be should lodge a police report on criminal trespass and misuse of computer, and throw that accuser to Changi Hilton. He should be more clever than a non-contest and quit hastily to say want to go overseas to accumulate experience with a heart problem and suspected heart attack

But how can prove it leh???

If he says he didn't, then how to have concrete proof that what he's saying is true? How do we know whether anything is true anymore? Naturally, I tend to swing to Dr. Ong's side, not because I'm an ACS(I) student, but because he is married, with children, who are in a world-renowned school, and he has brought the school so far. I, personally, cannot believe that he could have done anything like that.

However, there's always the saying \"wolf in sheep's clothing\".

Dunno who to trust anymore.... :faint: :scratchhead: :clubmyself: :siam: