2010 COPs for 2011 Sec One Intake
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verykiasu2010:
you see, these so-called top IP schools are usually independent schools, which means they can decide on their own the admission policy and also admission criteria outside of academic consideration - hence all the DSA test and sports trial. Some national level sports person got DSA into HCI/RI/NYGH etc based on their sports ability, and some of them got only 23+ in PSLE.....but they coped well later in sec 2 /3 and so on.......
Oops ! some interesting exchange here. Its true that for reason ,some bright sparks don't shine at PSLE for various reasons (eg being sick, wake up wrong side of bed, terribly poor performance at MT paper, being scolded , being shocked by whatever just before paper etc).
We can guess of the one or 2 cases of brilliant DSAed students in HCI/RI/RGS/NUSH/NJC etc who did not do as well as in PSLE. It is called their \"off day\" and it happens to everyone at all time.
That's why MOE only required all DSAed students to have a a min T-Score of 200 for Express stream to qualify and I think it is fair.
I don't want to talk about other Independent school DSA by Sports/CCA etc.
For NUSHS DSA, they have their assessment criteria and it is very clear - the test of Maths and Science thinking. If you ask the kids who take the GAT test and went to the the day-camp, they will tell you its beyond Primary school textbook knowledge and thingy. It goes beyond PSLE testing.
Out of initial 2,000 for the GAT , narrow down to 400 and ultimately 100+. Someone may scored 265 or 270 T-score but still could not make it at round one (GAT). One of my DD GEP classmates did not make it through the round 1 and some not offered CO/WL after round 2. The tests are therefore fair and square for both GEP and Non-GEPers.
Like what I read in the NUSHS thread, someone in open house once mentioned that they prefer kids that have been \"grilled\" by them through the DSA process rather than PSLE-posting kids. Someone with a lower T-score but selected thru the test is definitely no worse than the untested PSLE-posting kid with a very high T-Score. A higher T-score normally means better performance in MT and that's not the test criteria for NUSHS. -
walterp:
You said it right. I think it is easier to get thru RGS/NYGHS DSA than the 2 rounds testing in NUSHS DSA. My DD GEP RGPS frens can easily get RGS/NYGHS DSA CO but could'nt get the CO/WL. 2 of her frens like my DD, have only NUSHS clearly in their mind as first choice school because of the 2-2-2 system and no \"O\" n \"A\" level national examination. However they were deeply dissappointed that no CO/WL were offered. That show how tough and competitive it is to get into NUSHS.Oops ! some interesting exchange here. Its true that for reason ,some bright sparks don't shine at PSLE for various reasons (eg being sick, wake up wrong side of bed, terribly poor performance at MT paper, being scolded , being shocked by whatever just before paper etc).
We can guess of the one or 2 cases of brilliant DSAed students in HCI/RI/RGS/NUSH/NJC etc who did not do as well as in PSLE. It is called their \"off day\" and it happens to everyone at all time.
That's why MOE only required all DSAed students to have a a min T-Score of 200 for Express stream to qualify and I think it is fair.
I don't want to talk about other Independent school DSA by Sports/CCA etc.
For NUSHS DSA, they have their assessment criteria and it is very clear - the test of Maths and Science thinking. If you ask the kids who take the GAT test and went to the the day-camp, they will tell you its beyond Primary school textbook knowledge and thingy. It goes beyond PSLE testing.
Out of initial 2,000 for the GAT , narrow down to 400 and ultimately 100+. Someone may scored 265 or 270 T-score but still could not make it at round one (GAT). One of my DD GEP classmates did not make it through the round 1 and some not offered CO/WL after round 2. The tests are therefore fair and square for both GEP and Non-GEPers.
Like what I read in the NUSHS thread, someone in open house once mentioned that they prefer kids that have been \"grilled\" by them through the DSA process rather than PSLE-posting kids. Someone with a lower T-score but selected thru the test is definitely no worse than the untested PSLE-posting kid with a very high T-Score. A higher T-score normally means better performance in MT and that's not the test criteria for NUSHS.
My DD was on the wait list and 2 of her frens with DSA CO went to RGS and NYGH respectively. Only 4 GEPers(icluding top RGPS girl NOT IN RGS for a change) + 1 mainstream are in NUSH this year. Last year there were only 2 GEP girls. -
matadorepy:
I don't think it's more difficult to get into NUSH than RGS/NYGH. I believe it depends on the individuals. The ones who are clearly talented in Math and Science will not find it difficult to get into NUSH through DSA, especially those with Gold or Platinum in the Olympiads.
You said it right. I think it is easier to get thru RGS/NYGHS DSA than the 2 rounds testing in NUSHS DSA. My DD GEP RGPS frens can easily get RGS/NYGHS DSA CO but could'nt get the CO/WL. 2 of her frens like my DD, have only NUSHS clearly in their mind as first choice school because of the 2-2-2 system and no \"O\" n \"A\" level national examination. However they were deeply dissappointed that no CO/WL were offered. That show how tough and competitive it is to get into NUSHS.
My DD was on the wait list and 2 of her frens with DSA CO went to RGS and NYGH respectively. Only 4 GEPers(icluding top RGPS girl NOT IN RGS for a change) + 1 mainstream are in NUSH this year. Last year there were only 2 GEP girls.
I personally know of kids who were rejected by both RGS and NYGH who were accepted by NUSH. So really, it depends on the child's ability. NUSH is good at sieving out candidates who will excel in their programme. -
jtoh:
How can that be more difficult than an intake of less than 140 from NUSH ?
I don't think it's more difficult to get into NUSH than RGS/NYGH. I believe it depends on the individuals. The ones who are clearly talented in Math and Science will not find it difficult to get into NUSH through DSA, especially those with Gold or Platinum in the Olympiads.matadorepy:
You said it right. I think it is easier to get thru RGS/NYGHS DSA than the 2 rounds testing in NUSHS DSA. My DD GEP RGPS frens can easily get RGS/NYGHS DSA CO but could'nt get the CO/WL. 2 of her frens like my DD, have only NUSHS clearly in their mind as first choice school because of the 2-2-2 system and no \"O\" n \"A\" level national examination. However they were deeply dissappointed that no CO/WL were offered. That show how tough and competitive it is to get into NUSHS.
My DD was on the wait list and 2 of her frens with DSA CO went to RGS and NYGH respectively. Only 4 GEPers(icluding top RGPS girl NOT IN RGS for a change) + 1 mainstream are in NUSH this year. Last year there were only 2 GEP girls.
I personally know of kids who were rejected by both RGS and NYGH who were accepted by NUSH. So really, it depends on the child's ability. NUSH is good at sieving out candidates who will excel in their programme.
RGS /RI has intake of more than 400/450 rite? Good Results from SA2 and GEPers are considered favourably at all IP school's DSA apart from NUSHS. More than half of my DD GEP Cohort (more than 45) from RGPS are DSAed (simple GAT test and interview) there while only a 4 GEP + 1 mainstream from the 15/20 who took the round 1 and 2 testing at NUSH.
Even olympiad medalists have to take round 1 and 2 testing even before they are even considered. There are cases of medalist not making into round 2. That's fair and square.
Medallist or not, GEP and non-GEPers are considered alike. That is the real competition for less than 140 places that why it is more difficult to get into NUSHS than RGS/RI.
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How can that be more difficult than an intake of less than 140 from NUSH ?
RGS /RI has intake of more than 400/450 rite? Good Results from SA2 and GEPers are considered favourably at all IP school's DSA apart from NUSHS. More than half of my DD GEP Cohort (more than 45) from RGPS are DSAed (simple GAT test and interview) there while only a 4 GEP + 1 mainstream from the 15/20 who took the round 1 and 2 testing at NUSH.
Even olympiad medalists have to take round 1 and 2 testing even before they are even considered. There are cases of medalist not making into round 2. That's fair and square.
Medallist or not, GEP and non-GEPers are considered alike. That is the real competition for less than 140 places that why it is more difficult to get into NUSHS than RGS/RI. 8)[/quote]
Agreed :celebrate: You have my full support! :lol: -
matadorepy:
How can that be more difficult than an intake of less than 140 from NUSH ?
I don't think it's more difficult to get into NUSH than RGS/NYGH. I believe it depends on the individuals. The ones who are clearly talented in Math and Science will not find it difficult to get into NUSH through DSA, especially those with Gold or Platinum in the Olympiads.jtoh:
[quote=\"matadorepy\"]
You said it right. I think it is easier to get thru RGS/NYGHS DSA than the 2 rounds testing in NUSHS DSA. My DD GEP RGPS frens can easily get RGS/NYGHS DSA CO but could'nt get the CO/WL. 2 of her frens like my DD, have only NUSHS clearly in their mind as first choice school because of the 2-2-2 system and no \"O\" n \"A\" level national examination. However they were deeply dissappointed that no CO/WL were offered. That show how tough and competitive it is to get into NUSHS.
My DD was on the wait list and 2 of her frens with DSA CO went to RGS and NYGH respectively. Only 4 GEPers(icluding top RGPS girl NOT IN RGS for a change) + 1 mainstream are in NUSH this year. Last year there were only 2 GEP girls.
I personally know of kids who were rejected by both RGS and NYGH who were accepted by NUSH. So really, it depends on the child's ability. NUSH is good at sieving out candidates who will excel in their programme.
RGS /RI has intake of more than 400/450 rite? Good Results from SA2 and GEPers are considered favourably at all IP school's DSA apart from NUSHS. More than half of my DD GEP Cohort (more than 45) from RGPS are DSAed (simple GAT test and interview) there while only a 4 GEP + 1 mainstream from the 15/20 who took the round 1 and 2 testing at NUSH.
Even olympiad medalists have to take round 1 and 2 testing even before they are even considered. There are cases of medalist not making into round 2. That's fair and square.
Medallist or not, GEP and non-GEPers are considered alike. That is the real competition for less than 140 places that why it is more difficult to get into NUSHS than RGS/RI. 8)[/quote]
What I'm saying is let's not generalize.
NUSH is a specialised school, meaning it is specifically looking for students who excel in Math and Science and who will benefit most from its specialised program. Hence their rigorous selection process. What I am saying is that students who are clearly talented in Math and Science will not find it more difficult to get into NUSH vs the other top schools. The selection criteria for the top schools vs NUSH is different. RI/HCI are not looking only at Math and Science talents, they're considering other academic and leadership talents. And based on those, of course there'll be a larger talent pool who'll be offered admission.
As NUSH is a specialised school, a student who's good at every subject but isn't exceptionally strong in Math and Science, will find it tougher than someone who's exceptionally strong in Math and Science to get into NUSH. And that is fair. And perhaps this is where some of the GEP students are.
As I said earlier, I know personally of students who won Gold and Platinum in the Math Olympiads who were rejected by both RGS and NYGH. The gold medallists didn't even make it past the GAT test. Yet they were offered confirmed DSA by NUSH. If you ask these students, they'll tell you that it's much harder to get into RGS/NYGH than NUSH. So it really depends on the individual cases.
I've also heard of a case whereby a student who excelled in Math and Science and was part of the NUSH Einstein program was offered DSA in P5. So obviously she didn't need to sit for Round 1 & 2 when she was in P6. Was it easier for her to get into NUSH vs RGS/NYGH? Of course.
So what I'm saying is, just to reiterate, if you possess the skill sets NUSH is looking for, you will not find it more difficult to get into NUSH vs the other top schools. And specialty skill sets are important because NUSH is a specialised school.
And btw, of the 4 students I mentioned above who were offered confirmed DSA by NUSH and rejected by both RGS and NYGH, 3 of them rejected the DSA offer by NUSH. -
Share the same opinion as jtoh.
Strong in general academic - RI/RGS/HCI/NGHS
Strong in math and science - NUSH*
Strong in music/visual or performing arts - SOTA*
Strong in sports - SSP*
These specialised instituitions* are talent schools and nation’s top PSLE pupils cannot get in just thru pure academics. -
jtoh:
I do not wish to extend this protracted exchanges . In the first place, your so called academics at primary PSLE level is no more than Maths, Science and Languages (English and MT). Hence I don't quite grasp your specialised definition of \"academic and leadership talents\" out there.What I'm saying is let's not generalize.
NUSH is a specialised school, meaning it is specifically looking for students who excel in Math and Science and who will benefit most from its specialised program. Hence their rigorous selection process. What I am saying is that students who are clearly talented in Math and Science will not find it more difficult to get into NUSH vs the other top schools. The selection criteria for the top schools vs NUSH is different. RI/HCI are not looking only at Math and Science talents, they're considering other academic and leadership talents. And based on those, of course there'll be a larger talent pool who'll be offered admission.
As NUSH is a specialised school, a student who's good at every subject but isn't exceptionally strong in Math and Science, will find it tougher than someone who's exceptionally strong in Math and Science to get into NUSH. And that is fair. And perhaps this is where some of the GEP students are.
As I said earlier, I know personally of students who won Gold and Platinum in the Math Olympiads who were rejected by both RGS and NYGH. The gold medallists didn't even make it past the GAT test. Yet they were offered confirmed DSA by NUSH. If you ask these students, they'll tell you that it's much harder to get into RGS/NYGH than NUSH. So it really depends on the individual cases.
I've also heard of a case whereby a student who excelled in Math and Science and was part of the NUSH Einstein program was offered DSA in P5. So obviously she didn't need to sit for Round 1 & 2 when she was in P6. Was it easier for her to get into NUSH vs RGS/NYGH? Of course.
So what I'm saying is, just to reiterate, if you possess the skill sets NUSH is looking for, you will not find it more difficult to get into NUSH vs the other top schools. And specialty skill sets are important because NUSH is a specialised school.
And btw, of the 4 students I mentioned above who were offered confirmed DSA by NUSH and rejected by both RGS and NYGH, 3 of them rejected the DSA offer by NUSH.
Ha ha , it kind of hard to believe that RGS/RI actually rejects the maths and science olympiad talents when these are the truely the same boys/girls that will actually bring honours on the science and maths arena. And RI/RGS actually reject thems !! :rotflmao:
And Olympiad winners actually could'nt make it through their common GAT test is also hard to believe !! :rotflmao:
Go to RGPS and ask the P6 teachers of GEP/Mainstream there. They will tell you every year, almost 100 girls (50 GEP/ 50 Mainstream) get thru RGS DSA and increasingly more girls are going for NYGHS too. Of these 100 girls, barely 10 of these girls will get also get NUSHS CO/WL partly because NUSHS isnt one of their natural choice school. It is always RGPS for RGS.
I have certainly heard of the few RGPS girl with RGS/NYGH/NUSH CO but eventually deciding on RGS or NYGH and dropping NUSH ( the exception is top student in 2010) but I have never know of any able RGPS girl offered only NUSH CO and actually rejected by RGS and NYGHS. javascript:emoticon(':rotflmao:')
BTW, you mentioned of the 4 girls who were offered CO by NUSHS but were actually rejected by RGS/NYGH and 3 of them actually rejected NUSHS CO after they will also already rejected by RGS/NYGH in the first place.
Where did they go to then ? No logic at all :? :? -
matadorepy:
Sigh! Matadorepy. I can see from your reply that you are not ready to accept objective views nor engage in a mature exchange, what with your laughing emoticons and all. I wasn't trying to engage in a verbal exchange with you, merely trying to share my point of view based on the facts I have.I do not wish to extend this protracted exchanges . In the first place, your so called academics at primary PSLE level is no more than Maths, Science and Languages (English and MT). Hence I don't quite grasp your specialised definition of \"academic and leadership talents\" out there.
Ha ha , it kind of hard to believe that RGS/RI actually rejects the maths and science olympiad talents when these are the truely the same boys/girls that will actually bring honours on the science and maths arena. And RI/RGS actually reject thems !! :rotflmao:
And Olympiad winners actually could'nt make it through their common GAT test is also hard to believe !! :rotflmao:
Go to RGPS and ask the P6 teachers of GEP/Mainstream there. They will tell you every year, almost 100 girls (50 GEP/ 50 Mainstream) get thru RGS DSA and increasingly more girls are going for NYGHS too. Of these 100 girls, barely 10 of these girls will get also get NUSHS CO/WL partly because NUSHS isnt one of their natural choice school. It is always RGPS for RGS.
I have certainly heard of the few RGPS girl with RGS/NYGH/NUSH CO but eventually deciding on RGS or NYGH and dropping NUSH ( the exception is top student in 2010) but I have never know of any able RGPS girl offered only NUSH CO and actually rejected by RGS and NYGHS. javascript:emoticon(':rotflmao:')
One of the girls who was rejected by both RGS and NYGH is at NUSH. I didn't say she was from RPGS. I don't know if she's bringing honour to the school as I haven't seen the honours list of SMOJ.
By academic talents, if I'm not talking about Math and Science then obviously we're talking about languages, overall academic excellence, outstanding performance in FPSP, OM, IvP, debating, sports, leadership qualities etc.
As I said, I know personally of the Math Olympiad winners who didn't get through the GAT tests. Just because you don't personally know of any doesn't mean they don't exist.
Also, get your facts right about the number offered RGS DSA in RGPS. In 2009, at most 60+ were offered DSA by RGS. Of these, only a hand few were from mainstream. Definitely not the 100 you talked about. And definitely not 50 GEP/50 mainstream.
This is a parents forum. We're here to share our views as mature adults. Sometimes behind the veil of anonymity we choose to let our inhibitions go and engage in verbal exchanges which are not quite becoming of mature adults and parents. In such circumstances, I find it futile to continue any further discussions. -
I dont see anything wrong w matadorepy reply. She gives a v detailed explanation. Since we are here to share, dont take it to hard. If uve a stronger point, than reply back.
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