2010 COPs for 2011 Sec One Intake

[jtoh]

matadorepy:

jtoh:

[quote=\"matadorepy\"]
You said it right. I think it is easier to get thru RGS/NYGHS DSA than the 2 rounds testing in NUSHS DSA. My DD GEP RGPS frens can easily get RGS/NYGHS DSA CO but could'nt get the CO/WL. 2 of her frens like my DD, have only NUSHS clearly in their mind as first choice school because of the 2-2-2 system and no \"O\" n \"A\" level national examination. However they were deeply dissappointed that no CO/WL were offered. That show how tough and competitive it is to get into NUSHS.

My DD was on the wait list and 2 of her frens with DSA CO went to RGS and NYGH respectively. Only 4 GEPers(icluding top RGPS girl NOT IN RGS for a change) + 1 mainstream are in NUSH this year. Last year there were only 2 GEP girls.

I don't think it's more difficult to get into NUSH than RGS/NYGH. I believe it depends on the individuals. The ones who are clearly talented in Math and Science will not find it difficult to get into NUSH through DSA, especially those with Gold or Platinum in the Olympiads.

I personally know of kids who were rejected by both RGS and NYGH who were accepted by NUSH. So really, it depends on the child's ability. NUSH is good at sieving out candidates who will excel in their programme.

How can that be more difficult than an intake of less than 140 from NUSH ?

RGS /RI has intake of more than 400/450 rite? Good Results from SA2 and GEPers are considered favourably at all IP school's DSA apart from NUSHS. More than half of my DD GEP Cohort (more than 45) from RGPS are DSAed (simple GAT test and interview) there while only a 4 GEP + 1 mainstream from the 15/20 who took the round 1 and 2 testing at NUSH.

Even olympiad medalists have to take round 1 and 2 testing even before they are even considered. There are cases of medalist not making into round 2. That's fair and square.

Medallist or not, GEP and non-GEPers are considered alike. That is the real competition for less than 140 places that why it is more difficult to get into NUSHS than RGS/RI. 8)[/quote]
What I'm saying is let's not generalize.

NUSH is a specialised school, meaning it is specifically looking for students who excel in Math and Science and who will benefit most from its specialised program. Hence their rigorous selection process. What I am saying is that students who are clearly talented in Math and Science will not find it more difficult to get into NUSH vs the other top schools. The selection criteria for the top schools vs NUSH is different. RI/HCI are not looking only at Math and Science talents, they're considering other academic and leadership talents. And based on those, of course there'll be a larger talent pool who'll be offered admission.

As NUSH is a specialised school, a student who's good at every subject but isn't exceptionally strong in Math and Science, will find it tougher than someone who's exceptionally strong in Math and Science to get into NUSH. And that is fair. And perhaps this is where some of the GEP students are.

As I said earlier, I know personally of students who won Gold and Platinum in the Math Olympiads who were rejected by both RGS and NYGH. The gold medallists didn't even make it past the GAT test. Yet they were offered confirmed DSA by NUSH. If you ask these students, they'll tell you that it's much harder to get into RGS/NYGH than NUSH. So it really depends on the individual cases.

I've also heard of a case whereby a student who excelled in Math and Science and was part of the NUSH Einstein program was offered DSA in P5. So obviously she didn't need to sit for Round 1 & 2 when she was in P6. Was it easier for her to get into NUSH vs RGS/NYGH? Of course.

So what I'm saying is, just to reiterate, if you possess the skill sets NUSH is looking for, you will not find it more difficult to get into NUSH vs the other top schools. And specialty skill sets are important because NUSH is a specialised school.

And btw, of the 4 students I mentioned above who were offered confirmed DSA by NUSH and rejected by both RGS and NYGH, 3 of them rejected the DSA offer by NUSH.

[INNOVATE]

Share the same opinion as jtoh.



Strong in general academic - RI/RGS/HCI/NGHS

Strong in math and science - NUSH*

Strong in music/visual or performing arts - SOTA*

Strong in sports - SSP*


These specialised instituitions* are talent schools and nation’s top PSLE pupils cannot get in just thru pure academics.

[matadorepy]

jtoh:

What I'm saying is let's not generalize.


NUSH is a specialised school, meaning it is specifically looking for students who excel in Math and Science and who will benefit most from its specialised program. Hence their rigorous selection process. What I am saying is that students who are clearly talented in Math and Science will not find it more difficult to get into NUSH vs the other top schools. The selection criteria for the top schools vs NUSH is different. RI/HCI are not looking only at Math and Science talents, they're considering other academic and leadership talents. And based on those, of course there'll be a larger talent pool who'll be offered admission.

As NUSH is a specialised school, a student who's good at every subject but isn't exceptionally strong in Math and Science, will find it tougher than someone who's exceptionally strong in Math and Science to get into NUSH. And that is fair. And perhaps this is where some of the GEP students are.

As I said earlier, I know personally of students who won Gold and Platinum in the Math Olympiads who were rejected by both RGS and NYGH. The gold medallists didn't even make it past the GAT test. Yet they were offered confirmed DSA by NUSH. If you ask these students, they'll tell you that it's much harder to get into RGS/NYGH than NUSH. So it really depends on the individual cases.

I've also heard of a case whereby a student who excelled in Math and Science and was part of the NUSH Einstein program was offered DSA in P5. So obviously she didn't need to sit for Round 1 & 2 when she was in P6. Was it easier for her to get into NUSH vs RGS/NYGH? Of course.

So what I'm saying is, just to reiterate, if you possess the skill sets NUSH is looking for, you will not find it more difficult to get into NUSH vs the other top schools. And specialty skill sets are important because NUSH is a specialised school.

And btw, of the 4 students I mentioned above who were offered confirmed DSA by NUSH and rejected by both RGS and NYGH, 3 of them rejected the DSA offer by NUSH.

I do not wish to extend this protracted exchanges . In the first place, your so called academics at primary PSLE level is no more than Maths, Science and Languages (English and MT). Hence I don't quite grasp your specialised definition of \"academic and leadership talents\" out there.

Ha ha , it kind of hard to believe that RGS/RI actually rejects the maths and science olympiad talents when these are the truely the same boys/girls that will actually bring honours on the science and maths arena. And RI/RGS actually reject thems !! :rotflmao:

And Olympiad winners actually could'nt make it through their common GAT test is also hard to believe !! :rotflmao:

Go to RGPS and ask the P6 teachers of GEP/Mainstream there. They will tell you every year, almost 100 girls (50 GEP/ 50 Mainstream) get thru RGS DSA and increasingly more girls are going for NYGHS too. Of these 100 girls, barely 10 of these girls will get also get NUSHS CO/WL partly because NUSHS isnt one of their natural choice school. It is always RGPS for RGS.

I have certainly heard of the few RGPS girl with RGS/NYGH/NUSH CO but eventually deciding on RGS or NYGH and dropping NUSH ( the exception is top student in 2010) but I have never know of any able RGPS girl offered only NUSH CO and actually rejected by RGS and NYGHS. javascript:emoticon(':rotflmao:')

BTW, you mentioned of the 4 girls who were offered CO by NUSHS but were actually rejected by RGS/NYGH and 3 of them actually rejected NUSHS CO after they will also already rejected by RGS/NYGH in the first place.

Where did they go to then ? No logic at all :? :?

[jtoh]

matadorepy:

I do not wish to extend this protracted exchanges . In the first place, your so called academics at primary PSLE level is no more than Maths, Science and Languages (English and MT). Hence I don't quite grasp your specialised definition of \"academic and leadership talents\" out there.


Ha ha , it kind of hard to believe that RGS/RI actually rejects the maths and science olympiad talents when these are the truely the same boys/girls that will actually bring honours on the science and maths arena. And RI/RGS actually reject thems !! :rotflmao:

And Olympiad winners actually could'nt make it through their common GAT test is also hard to believe !! :rotflmao:

Go to RGPS and ask the P6 teachers of GEP/Mainstream there. They will tell you every year, almost 100 girls (50 GEP/ 50 Mainstream) get thru RGS DSA and increasingly more girls are going for NYGHS too. Of these 100 girls, barely 10 of these girls will get also get NUSHS CO/WL partly because NUSHS isnt one of their natural choice school. It is always RGPS for RGS.

I have certainly heard of the few RGPS girl with RGS/NYGH/NUSH CO but eventually deciding on RGS or NYGH and dropping NUSH ( the exception is top student in 2010) but I have never know of any able RGPS girl offered only NUSH CO and actually rejected by RGS and NYGHS. javascript:emoticon(':rotflmao:')

Sigh! Matadorepy. I can see from your reply that you are not ready to accept objective views nor engage in a mature exchange, what with your laughing emoticons and all. I wasn't trying to engage in a verbal exchange with you, merely trying to share my point of view based on the facts I have.

One of the girls who was rejected by both RGS and NYGH is at NUSH. I didn't say she was from RPGS. I don't know if she's bringing honour to the school as I haven't seen the honours list of SMOJ.

By academic talents, if I'm not talking about Math and Science then obviously we're talking about languages, overall academic excellence, outstanding performance in FPSP, OM, IvP, debating, sports, leadership qualities etc.

As I said, I know personally of the Math Olympiad winners who didn't get through the GAT tests. Just because you don't personally know of any doesn't mean they don't exist.

Also, get your facts right about the number offered RGS DSA in RGPS. In 2009, at most 60+ were offered DSA by RGS. Of these, only a hand few were from mainstream. Definitely not the 100 you talked about. And definitely not 50 GEP/50 mainstream.

This is a parents forum. We're here to share our views as mature adults. Sometimes behind the veil of anonymity we choose to let our inhibitions go and engage in verbal exchanges which are not quite becoming of mature adults and parents. In such circumstances, I find it futile to continue any further discussions.

[MumSAH]

I dont see anything wrong w matadorepy reply. She gives a v detailed explanation. Since we are here to share, dont take it to hard. If uve a stronger point, than reply back.

[matadorepy]

jtoh:

Sigh! Matadorepy. I can see from your reply that you are not ready to accept objective views nor engage in a mature exchange, what with your laughing emoticons and all. I wasn't trying to engage in a verbal exchange with you, merely trying to share my point of view based on the facts I have.


One of the girls who was rejected by both RGS and NYGH is at NUSH. I didn't say she was from RPGS. I don't know if she's bringing honour to the school as I haven't seen the honours list of SMOJ.

By academic talents, if I'm not talking about Math and Science then obviously we're talking about languages, overall academic excellence, outstanding performance in FPSP, OM, IvP, debating, sports, leadership qualities etc.

As I said, I know personally of the Math Olympiad winners who didn't get through the GAT tests. Just because you don't personally know of any doesn't mean they don't exist.

Also, get your facts right about the number offered RGS DSA in RGPS. In 2009, at most 60+ were offered DSA by RGS. Of these, only a hand few were from mainstream. Definitely not the 100 you talked about. And definitely not 50 GEP/50 mainstream.

This is a parents forum. We're here to share our views as mature adults. Sometimes behind the veil of anonymity we choose to let our inhibitions go and engage in verbal exchanges which are not quite becoming of mature adults and parents. In such circumstances, I find it futile to continue any further discussions.

Sorry that you could'nt accept arguments and sorry about the emoticon part of things..Perhaps I overdo it. My apology for that ..

I was a parent of a 2010 P6 GEP girl at RGPS now at NUSH. Yes, I attended the DSA talk last year when they flashed the information about no of GEP Vs Mainstream which show about 46/47 GEP and equally no of mianstream DSAed into RGS in 2010. I don't know the figures for 2011. That is a fact and certainly not 60+ as you claimed. In RGPS, certainly almost a third of the cohort of 350s are in RGS.

And in my view having interact with the RGPS students(GEP Cohort), I do have very clear info about the schools and the DSA CO/WL for RGS/NYGH/NUSH. How easy it is for the RGPS girls to be in RGS/NYGH vs NUSH. My DD was a weird one of the few lot, only have eye for NUSH and NJC, No RGS/No NYGH which she could easily gone to like most of her GEP friemds (That's the reason why I keep saying going to RGS is so much easier ). NUSHS offered her WL and eventually she got her choice if not she would be in NJC today.

And here I am talking/sharing very specifically about my experience with DSA with NUSHS and RGS/RI from RPGS GEP girl. Some folks here can only \"generalise things to be discussed\" which I can fully understand since they seems to be involved in almost every thread of discussion here.

That's all !!

[phankao]

INNOVATE:

Strong in music/visual or performing arts - SOTA*.

haha - and when Lui Tuck Yew asked my ds2 if he wants to go SOTA, he said no. He is just not convinced it is good for his music development. And there are no CCAs either, so doesn't seem exciting enough to my boy too.

[jtoh]

matadorepy:

Sorry that you could'nt accept arguments and sorry about the emoticon part of things..Perhaps I overdo it. My apology for that ..


I was a parent of a 2010 P6 GEP girl at RGPS now at NUSH. Yes, I attended the DSA talk last year when they flashed the information about no of GEP Vs Mainstream which show about 46/47 GEP and equally no of mianstream DSAed into RGS in 2010. I don't know the figures for 2011. That is a fact and certainly not 60+ as you claimed. In RGPS, certainly almost a third of the cohort of 350s are in RGS.

And in my view having interact with the RGPS students(GEP Cohort), I do have very clear info about the schools and the DSA CO/WL for RGS/NYGH/NUSH. How easy it is for the RGPS girls to be in RGS/NYGH vs NUSH. My DD was a weird one of the few lot, only have eye for NUSH and NJC, No RGS/No NYGH which she could easily gone to like most of her GEP friemds (That's the reason why I keep saying going to RGS is so much easier ). NUSHS offered her WL and eventually she got her choice if not she would be in NJC today.

And here I am talking/sharing very specifically about my experience with DSA with NUSHS and RGS/RI from RPGS GEP girl. Some folks here can only \"generalise things to be discussed\" which I can fully understand since they seems to be involved in almost every thread of discussion here.

That's all !!

matadorepy,

I write based on facts. I also write based on personal examples I know of. I do not generalize. And I do not appreciate your insinuating that I do, albeit with a smiling emoticon.

I know RGPS girls in the GEP 2009 batch and have spoken to the teachers and that is why I know that at most only 60+ (total of GEP and mainstream) were offered DSA by RGS. And of this, only a handful of mainstreamers. I also remember reading the stats online. So, to refute your claims that you saw at the parents briefing that 50 GEP/50 mainstream and total 100 RGPS students were offered DSA by RGS, here's the official statistics based on the slides presented by RGPS on 6 Mar 2010 (p.76 of 82 slides) :

Direct School Admission (DSA)
Year No accepted Acceptance Offers
2009 110 124
* 4 students from mainstream were admitted to RGS via DSA

The officials slides clearly state that only 4 mainstream were admitted to RGS via DSA. So it's a handful and not the 50 you claim.

Perhaps you were mistook the TOTAL DSA offers with those by RGS?

These slides were available on the RGPS site until recently but can easily be found by googling them.

Also, you wrote that almost a third of the 350 RGPS cohort is in RGS. Again, let me enlighten you with the correct statistics. The number of RGPS girls who enrolled into RGS in 2010 (inclusive of DSA and S1 central posting) is 90/91. Closer to a quarter than a third.

I understand that you are speaking specifically based on your experience with your dd and her friends. And based on their experience, you are correct to come to your conclusion. But their experience is not indicative of the entire experience of every GEP cohort in all of Singapore. And that's why I am giving you a larger picture.

I understand that you're very happy with your dd's posting and understandably so. NUSH is a great school for the exceptionally talented in Math and Science. However, in your enthusiasm, I would appreciate your not dismissing someone else's opinion with insinuations that the alternative view is untrue.

[verykiasu2010]

ha ha ha ha


jtoh, no point continuing

[verykiasu2010]

matadorepy:

And here I am talking/sharing very specifically about my experience with DSA with NUSHS and RGS/RI from RPGS GEP girl. Some folks here can only \"generalise things to be discussed\" which I can fully understand since they seems to be involved in almost every thread of discussion here.

That's all !!

what do you understand about folks involved in almost every thread of discussion ?

where is your evidence of their \"generalise things to be discussed\" ?

you obviously do not know their personal experience and aren't you generalising ?