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[New Kiasu Parent]

timtim:

Hi,


I would like to solicit some feedback on your respective RC/NC's criteria in confirming Observers as Executive Members. The following criteria was set some time ago by our RC and it seems pretty stringent to me and I am currently reviewing it for my RC and to formalise it. My idea is to issue a checklist to observer so he/she has full control and knows when he/she is due for confirmation. I believe it will also make the whole process more transparent. Appreciates your frank feedback if you are aware of your RC/NC's practices. Tks.

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The Criteria for the confirmation of Observer as Executive Member:

(a). Attended 75 % of the Meeting
(b). Organised 3 to 6 Floor Parties
(c). Organised 1 to 3 Block Parties or 1 Divisional Event
(d). Positive contributions to the community and RC

Once the above criteria are met, Observer may be confirmed as Executive Member.
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Didn't know that there was criteria for confirmation from Observer to Executive Member. My confirmation from Observer to EM was based on (a) & (d),

[timtim]

New Kiasu Parent:

timtim:

Hi,


I would like to solicit some feedback on your respective RC/NC's criteria in confirming Observers as Executive Members. The following criteria was set some time ago by our RC and it seems pretty stringent to me and I am currently reviewing it for my RC and to formalise it. My idea is to issue a checklist to observer so he/she has full control and knows when he/she is due for confirmation. I believe it will also make the whole process more transparent. Appreciates your frank feedback if you are aware of your RC/NC's practices. Tks.

=========================================
The Criteria for the confirmation of Observer as Executive Member:

(a). Attended 75 % of the Meeting
(b). Organised 3 to 6 Floor Parties
(c). Organised 1 to 3 Block Parties or 1 Divisional Event
(d). Positive contributions to the community and RC

Once the above criteria are met, Observer may be confirmed as Executive Member.
==========================================

Didn't know that there was criteria for confirmation from Observer to Executive Member. My confirmation from Observer to EM was based on (a) & (d),

Precisely, I find it too stringent. I was confirmed on (a) & (d) too in 2005 but went on to organise many events and contributed in the Exco. In fact, based on our experiences, we can easily see if someone is committed to serve or simple come in for some benfits and then disappear. So what if the person fulfilled all the above requirements? It still doesn't mean that he/she is committed to serve in the long run. I kind of suspect the criteria was drafted by a single person, not mandated by PA, without consultation with the committee and hence I am pursuing to refine it. Tks.

[Daddy D]

Hmmm.... it does seems very stringent... esp below 2...

(b). Organised 3 to 6 Floor Parties
(c). Organised 1 to 3 Block Parties or 1 Divisional Event

If Observer has to do above... I think his confirmation will take at least 1 year.
Then the existing EMs just shake legs ah?

We don't have strict guidelines on my RC side... then again it also shows there's no transparencies.

While it is heartening that the top brass is changing their mindset and setting things in the right direction, it is sad that the people running the grassroots are still oblivious to these changes.

:?

[learningtobekiasu]

there used to be a word document on the old pa website which spelled out the rules and regulations for each type of committee. the criteria for EM appointment was in that. can’t find it now. there were rules like how many people per committee and how many office bearers and ratio of PRs to Citizens etc.

[timtim]

learningtobekiasu:

there used to be a word document on the old pa website which spelled out the rules and regulations for each type of committee. the criteria for EM appointment was in that. can't find it now. there were rules like how many people per committee and how many office bearers and ratio of PRs to Citizens etc.

That only covers the over-arching policy and regulations for GROs and its governance, structure and maintenance. The details of how/when the observers should be confirmed as EM are not stipulated. It's largely up to individual GROs to define. Hence that's is what I am addressing now. Tks.

[THC]

timtim:

Hi,


I would like to solicit some feedback on your respective RC/NC's criteria in confirming Observers as Executive Members. The following criteria was set some time ago by our RC and it seems pretty stringent to me and I am currently reviewing it for my RC and to formalise it. My idea is to issue a checklist to observer so he/she has full control and knows when he/she is due for confirmation. I believe it will also make the whole process more transparent. Appreciates your frank feedback if you are aware of your RC/NC's practices. Tks.

=========================================
The Criteria for the confirmation of Observer as Executive Member:

(a). Attended 75 % of the Meeting
(b). Organised 3 to 6 Floor Parties
(c). Organised 1 to 3 Block Parties or 1 Divisional Event
(d). Positive contributions to the community and RC

Once the above criteria are met, Observer may be confirmed as Executive Member.
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Hi - In reality, every RC/NC/CCMC/CCC/CDC...etc operates on different rigor (I believe they uses star rating to grade them). Therefore, there is no one solution/checklist that fits all. Sometimes strict rules and regulation is detrimental.

Assuming a good percentage of parent decided to take the GRL route, the most active GRO will be flocked with volunteers, whereas the least active will have even tougher time recruiting.

Advisor appointed Chairman should be able to make the call, ultimately he is responsible for his team.

[THC]

THC:

timtim:

Hi,


I would like to solicit some feedback on your respective RC/NC's criteria in confirming Observers as Executive Members. The following criteria was set some time ago by our RC and it seems pretty stringent to me and I am currently reviewing it for my RC and to formalise it. My idea is to issue a checklist to observer so he/she has full control and knows when he/she is due for confirmation. I believe it will also make the whole process more transparent. Appreciates your frank feedback if you are aware of your RC/NC's practices. Tks.

=========================================
The Criteria for the confirmation of Observer as Executive Member:

(a). Attended 75 % of the Meeting
(b). Organised 3 to 6 Floor Parties
(c). Organised 1 to 3 Block Parties or 1 Divisional Event
(d). Positive contributions to the community and RC

Once the above criteria are met, Observer may be confirmed as Executive Member.
==========================================

Hi - In reality, every RC/NC/CCMC/CCC/CDC...etc operates on different rigor (I believe they uses star rating to grade them). Therefore, there is no one solution/checklist that fits all. Sometimes strict rules and regulation is detrimental.

Assuming a good percentage of parent decided to take the GRL route, the most active GRO will be flocked with volunteers, whereas the least active will have even tougher time recruiting.

Advisor appointed Chairman should be able to make the call, ultimately he is responsible for his team.

Not all volunteers have the ability to organise/lead events but are able to contribute in many other ways, and if above-mentioned criteria are strictly adhere to, then the team probably consists of more \"general\" then \"soliders\". As you mentioned, even if all criteria are met, the Chairman still make the final call.

[timtim]

THC:

THC:

Hi - In reality, every RC/NC/CCMC/CCC/CDC...etc operates on different rigor (I believe they uses star rating to grade them). Therefore, there is no one solution/checklist that fits all. Sometimes strict rules and regulation is detrimental.

Assuming a good percentage of parent decided to take the GRL route, the most active GRO will be flocked with volunteers, whereas the least active will have even tougher time recruiting.

Advisor appointed Chairman should be able to make the call, ultimately he is responsible for his team.

Not all volunteers have the ability to organise/lead events but are able to contribute in many other ways, and if above-mentioned criteria are strictly adhere to, then the team probably consists of more \"general\" then \"soliders\". As you mentioned, even if all criteria are met, the Chairman still make the final call.

I totally agree. For our RC, we have formed a 3-member subcomm to decide on the promotion of observers and removal of observers/members, of which I am one of them, besides being a VC looking into RC Admin. I feel the criteria should be flexible enough to accommodate all \"talents\", not a rigid one. Our current Chairman is also very star-oriented, aiming for 4 stars every yr at all cost and in the process, making members feel exhausted. He has forgotten that we are just volunteers.

[Daddy D]

If the members don’t contribute… the chairman also see "stars" end of the day…

In chasing the stars ratings, everyone forgot about serving the community…
GRL route… u’re limited by your address… so you can’t join any RC/NC u like. If the one u joined is "problematic" then good luck liao…

[timtim]

Daddy

If the members don't contribute... the chairman also see \"stars\" end of the day...

In chasing the stars ratings, everyone forgot about serving the community...
GRL route... u're limited by your address... so you can't join any RC/NC u like. If the one u joined is \"problematic\" then good luck liao...

As volunteers, if you add up all the events (own RC, other RCs/GROs and constituency/national wide) that one needs to be involved in, it's humongous. Not to mention the ever increasing committees and sub committees formed/mandated by PA/CCC. If so, better pay us allowance, just like MPs. At least MPs are paid for their time and effort, we got nothing out of it, only stress and pressures from Chairman/CCC. I can only say my first chairman was a \"human\", the current one a \"robot\".