PM Lee says S'pore must study nuclear option
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remember abt the vietnam war back in the 70s, becos of the orange agent ( harmful chemical gas) those pregnant will either hv still born babies or babies deficiency, that is, blind, no legs, no hands, no backside, etc…
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So where to escape if nuclear goes off? Japan so big also hard to escape without harm done... :shock:
If they want to build what can we citizens say? -
WCW:
btw, Sg so small build at where ah??
jurong island off tuas end or maybe reclaim offshore lands -
poppy15:
Without this nuclear plant, Singapore is definitely a safe place to stay. However, with this nuclear plant, it is a totally different story. This place is already so small, if there is a leak, where to :siam: ?Pen88n:
Looking at the trend and seeing how modernisation will one day \"harm\" us in more ways, I think I better start planning to retire to some places whereby I can still not be affected by food scare, radiation and drastic climate changes (tsunami, tornadoes, flood, drought......). Now, where can that be :scratchhead: ? Tibet? Nepal?
Pen, there's no where to go. everyone/everywhere is affected one way or another... if no natural disasters, singapore still the safest cos we have various mountains, islands & seas protecting us.
but if this nuclear radiation come abt.... :nailbite:
If modernisation is going to bring about all these need for nuclear power in Singapore, I would rather forsake \"modernisation\" and move to greener and \"healthier\" places. Not that I need to live a very long life, I just don't want a horrid death, or face horrid death of others. -
SAHM_TAN:
Germany a country bigger than ours in size (so have more distance to run away) is going to shut their nuclear power plants. While we, a country with no place to run, is still considering
The closing down of nuclear plants in Germany is purely political due to Green party. USA, China, Russia have gave green light to go ahead with nuclear because it is the ONLY way to go. Germany will suffer from this decision. They will have to rely on power supply from France, Russia and other part of Europe and this will be detrimental to their status as the modern industrialised state. at the moment, no where in Europe was anything as productive as Germany. After this, the ONLY bright spot will die down.....
Actually, Fuku disaster is nothing to worry, surely not as bad as the media has played it up. One fact which they missed reporting was that this Fuku nuclear plant that ran into problem was so old, nearly 40 years, and the design was so out of date that it was a wrong decision on their part to continue extrending its service. Modern nuclear plants are safe in that they are built to resist major shock from earthquake and they designed with many safe-control that will guarantee auto shut down in case of emergency. Is the fuku power plant of this design. Surely, it is not.
Think calmly about it. Even for fuku disaster, how many people actually died because of it? Less than 10. Do you know how many thousands of people died in road accident alone in America every year? I read that it is 20000. But people never stop travelling on road because of that. Do we stop using electrical power just because of a disaster of epic magnitude that cause a nuclear power plant problem in Japan? Bear in mind, it was the largest earthquake which create the largest Tsunami in history that JUST able to cause this one OLD, outmoded nuclear plant some problem. With nuclear plants of modern design, I am sure such a probelm will not even arise.
I am sure the scientists have alreay exhausted all means of energy that can continue our civilisation into the future. Wind power can only provide 10% of the energy and wind power isn't free too. It require rare earth elements to make its motor and we also running out of rare earth elements. Coal power actually cause high pollution in the atmosphere and everybody will sure sink into the sea if green house effect become even worse or more people may get strage lung diseases. Oil is out of the question as peak oil has already reached. Moreover, it wouldn't be wise to rely on a region that is set to be politically unstable. You see, we don't have other choice but nuclear energy unless we are happy to go back to stone age. It is not about being greener etc...without electricity, we won't exist. -
Pen88n:
Looking at the trend and seeing how modernisation will one day \"harm\" us in more ways, I think I better start planning to retire to some places whereby I can still not be affected by food scare, radiation and drastic climate changes (tsunami, tornadoes, flood, drought......). Now, where can that be :scratchhead: ? Tibet? Nepal?
Try Bhutan, the happiest place on earth :lol: -
WeiHan:
You know what caused the Three Mile nuclear meltdown and Chernobyl disaster? It is not due to the lack of safety measures, of which there are plenty. It's due mainly to human errors. Mind you, not big ones but rather a series of small little mistakes which resulted in the final catastrophe.
The closing down of nuclear plants in Germany is purely political due to Green party. USA, China, Russia have gave green light to go ahead with nuclear because it is the ONLY way to go. Germany will suffer from this decision.
Actually, Fuku disaster is nothing to worry, surely not as bad as the media has played it up. One fact which they missed reporting was that this Fuku nuclear plant that ran into problem was so old, nearly 40 years, and the design was so out of date that it was a wrong decision on their part to continue extrending its service. Modern nuclear plants are safe in that they are built to resist major shock from earthquake and they designed with many safe-control that will guarantee auto shut down in case of emergency. Is the fuku power plant of this design. Surely, it is not.
What about the risk of terrorist attack or even conventional war?
Give me lesser economic growth anytime. But I don't want a ticking time bomb waiting to explode in my own backyard. -
markfch:
The Chernobyl nuclear plant was of a totally different design that they can't even shut the nuclear plant even when they want to.
You know what caused the Three Mile nuclear meltdown and Chernobyl disaster? It is not due to the lack of safety measures, of which there are plenty. It's due mainly to human errors. Mind you, not big ones but rather a series of small little mistakes which resulted in the final catastrophe.WeiHan:
The closing down of nuclear plants in Germany is purely political due to Green party. USA, China, Russia have gave green light to go ahead with nuclear because it is the ONLY way to go. Germany will suffer from this decision.
Actually, Fuku disaster is nothing to worry, surely not as bad as the media has played it up. One fact which they missed reporting was that this Fuku nuclear plant that ran into problem was so old, nearly 40 years, and the design was so out of date that it was a wrong decision on their part to continue extrending its service. Modern nuclear plants are safe in that they are built to resist major shock from earthquake and they designed with many safe-control that will guarantee auto shut down in case of emergency. Is the fuku power plant of this design. Surely, it is not.
What about the risk of terrorist attack or even conventional war?
Give me lesser economic growth anytime. But I don't want a ticking time bomb waiting to explode in my own backyard.
I am not sure you have a choice. What if Malaysia want to built a few? Don't dream of running away. Even Taiwan concur that there will be nowhere to escape if something happen to one of their 3 nuclear plants. Even countries of the size of Taiwan have nowhere big enough to escape. I am not sure, is it just lower growth that we have to face or survival? -
WeiHan:
The Chernobyl nuclear plant was of a totally different design that they can't even shut the nuclear plant even when they want to.
You know what caused the Three Mile nuclear meltdown and Chernobyl disaster? It is not due to the lack of safety measures, of which there are plenty. It's due mainly to human errors. Mind you, not big ones but rather a series of small little mistakes which resulted in the final catastrophe.markfch:
[quote=\"WeiHan\"]
The closing down of nuclear plants in Germany is purely political due to Green party. USA, China, Russia have gave green light to go ahead with nuclear because it is the ONLY way to go. Germany will suffer from this decision.
Actually, Fuku disaster is nothing to worry, surely not as bad as the media has played it up. One fact which they missed reporting was that this Fuku nuclear plant that ran into problem was so old, nearly 40 years, and the design was so out of date that it was a wrong decision on their part to continue extrending its service. Modern nuclear plants are safe in that they are built to resist major shock from earthquake and they designed with many safe-control that will guarantee auto shut down in case of emergency. Is the fuku power plant of this design. Surely, it is not.
What about the risk of terrorist attack or even conventional war?
Give me lesser economic growth anytime. But I don't want a ticking time bomb waiting to explode in my own backyard.
I am not sure you have a choice. What if Malaysia want to built a few? Don't dream of running away. Even Taiwan concur that there will be nowhere to escape if something happen to one of their 3 nuclear plants. Even countries of the size of Taiwan have nowhere big enough to escape. I am not sure, is it just lower growth that we have to face or survival?[/quote]If Taiwan has nowhere to escape, Singapore will be a worst position when it comes to radiation leak. We cannot stop our neighbours from building nuclear plant if they want to, but why should we ourselves build a bomb in our very own backyard? Anyway, our neighbours have not started yet, and we are talking about taking the initiatives now.
Survival in the form of life or survival in the form of economic growth for a country? Look at Japan, at what expense did they pay for the radiation leak in terms of effect to her people and economic growth? How long are they going to suffer for that mess? Isn't it about time to educate our people and businesses about energy saving, using of greener form of energy like solar power, etc.
Of course we have a choice! Everyone can choose to move somewhere where they do not have a bomb in their backyard, or maybe further from the bomb! In fact, for the case of Singapore having a nuclear plant, I do not think this is a bomb ticking away in my backyard, it is more like a bomb waiting to explode in my face anytime! -
Pen88n:
If there is no sufficient energy, maybe 70% of the people will be jobless. Kids with no food and big belly running on the street. Is that survival of life or economic growth? The loss of Japan are largely due to the earthquake and tsunami. As I have said, the nuclear crisis itself cost less than 10 lives, much less than the victims in road accidents in Singapore yearly. Also, as I have said, they used an unsafe, out-moded nuclear plant. Solar energy cannot provide sufficient energy. The panel they produced presently is still not efficient in converting solar energy to electrical. Conserving energy is good but the amount we can save is only a small percentage, it too can't solve the problem. Who is willing to switch off the air-con in their office?
Survival in the form of life or survival in the form of economic growth for a country? Look at Japan, at what expense did they pay for the radiation leak in terms of effect to her people and economic growth? How long are they going to suffer for that mess? Isn't it about time to educate our people and businesses about energy saving, using of greener form of energy like solar power, etc.
Of course we have a choice! Everyone can choose to move somewhere where they do not have a bomb in their backyard, or maybe further from the bomb! In fact, for the case of Singapore having a nuclear plant, I do not think this is a bomb ticking away in my backyard, it is more like a bomb waiting to explode in my face anytime!
Not everybody have the ability to migrate. Even if some people migrated, the remaining people still have to use electricity. Nuclear energy is the trend, probably every city in the world will be near some nuclear power stations. Unless you are telling me that you are going to forsake the luxyru of staying in a city. 70% of France is on nuclear energy.
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