PM Lee says S'pore must study nuclear option

[WeiHan]

Pen88n:

ksi:

I really hope they take feedback unlike the casino issue.


Personally, I think we are going into a syndrome of \"advancement\" at a non-stop pace. In fact, returning to Stone-age is also an option we should seriously study to save our Earth. This, is also an advancement, towards preserving the Earth.

Play with fire, we get burnt....Haven't our ancestors told us this repeatedly?

That is why there is all this talk about end of the world! The way humans are treating the earth: causing global warming which causes all the drastic climate changes and disasters, and now building nuclear plants to satisfy the never-ending energy needs due to the so-called modernisation. Every nation wants to race ahead of the other, without consideration of the damage to our future generations.

With all these scenarios, we are just building more and more time-bombs. End of the world is like staring at us right in our face!

The above said maybe credible if it is from someone who forsake comfortable life in city to live in a remote village where there is complete absence of the luxury of modern technology. But from someone who live in singapore who enjoy air-con everywhere from offices to shopping centers and MRT, and beside that enjoy plasma TV, big fridges at home, modern medical care such as surgeries that was once impossible etc..and even the fact that we are able to sit behind something call the PC and using something call internet to post these messages in this forum. Can we ask ourselves whether we can forsake all these?

[poppy15]

i donch know what to perceive of this but all i can say is that having nuclear plants on our little red dot is bringing forward dooms day.


Singapore is one country who is always ahead or tries to, so if our neighbours start its plan soon, well, singapore will not be far behind.

[Pen88n]

WeiHan:

Pen88n:

[quote=\"ksi\"]I really hope they take feedback unlike the casino issue.


Personally, I think we are going into a syndrome of \"advancement\" at a non-stop pace. In fact, returning to Stone-age is also an option we should seriously study to save our Earth. This, is also an advancement, towards preserving the Earth.

Play with fire, we get burnt....Haven't our ancestors told us this repeatedly?

That is why there is all this talk about end of the world! The way humans are treating the earth: causing global warming which causes all the drastic climate changes and disasters, and now building nuclear plants to satisfy the never-ending energy needs due to the so-called modernisation. Every nation wants to race ahead of the other, without consideration of the damage to our future generations.

With all these scenarios, we are just building more and more time-bombs. End of the world is like staring at us right in our face!

The above said maybe credible if it is from someone who forsake comfortable life in city to live in a remote village where there is complete absence of the luxury of modern technology. But from someone who live in singapore who enjoy air-con everywhere from offices to shopping centers and MRT, and beside that enjoy plasma TV, big fridges at home, modern medical care such as surgeries that was once impossible etc..and even the fact that we are able to sit behind something call the PC and using something call internet to post these messages in this forum. Can we ask ourselves whether we can forsake all these?[/quote]We may not be able to foresake all these, but we can explore ways to cut down, so as not to deplete resources too fast. We can explore alternatives, instead of going towards nuclear power. It is not a one person, one nation effort, but if every person / nation make that effort, this can work. We should not become the nation to embrace nuclear power, just becos we do not want to be left behind or do not want to try out other options.

[corneyAmber]

[quote]But from someone who live in singapore who enjoy air-con everywhere from offices to shopping centers and MRT, and beside that enjoy plasma TV, big fridges at home, modern medical care such as surgeries that was once impossible etc..and even the fact that we are able to sit behind something call the PC and using something call internet to post these messages in this forum. Can we ask ourselves whether we can forsake all these? [/quote]
Yes I can forego.....
1. If ventilation is good and fans are installed in replacement, I can accept these at home. The other thing is to bathe multiple times a day.....But life has to slow down to in order to do things more manually. In public places, if someone stinks, I think no aircon place is better too, at least the stale air can flow away... :rotflmao:

2. the shopping centres...I think there are simply too many at this point.

3. TV is not an essential for us and we don't own a plasma still. :lol: I must be the only one having an ancient TV at home.

4. Personally we don't even have space for a big fridge....so that is again non issue.

5. Lastly, Internet communication is also not critical to me no matter how much I adore KSP.com. There is also a thing called telephone. In fact, the more accessibility, the more we waste electricity by using it unnecessarily. Especially for social networking, I prefer the traditional way. I am one who is widely exposed to technology and yet found many technological creation unnecessary or rather good-to-have, especially the online games and social networking. Lifestyles actually become unhealthy because of that, so why feel the pinch to let it go?

So Stone-age lifestyle feasibility study, anyone?

[WeiHan]

ksi:

[quote]But from someone who live in singapore who enjoy air-con everywhere from offices to shopping centers and MRT, and beside that enjoy plasma TV, big fridges at home, modern medical care such as surgeries that was once impossible etc..and even the fact that we are able to sit behind something call the PC and using something call internet to post these messages in this forum. Can we ask ourselves whether we can forsake all these?

Yes I can forego.....
1. If ventilation is good and fans are installed in replacement, I can accept these at home. The other thing is to bathe multiple times a day.....But life has to slow down to in order to do things more manually. In public places, if someone stinks, I think no aircon place is better too, at least the stale air can flow away... :rotflmao:

2. the shopping centres...I think there are simply too many at this point.

3. TV is not an essential for us and we don't own a plasma still. :lol: I must be the only one having an ancient TV at home.

4. Personally we don't even have space for a big fridge....so that is again non issue.

5. Lastly, Internet communication is also not critical to me no matter how much I adore KSP.com. There is also a thing called telephone. In fact, the more accessibility, the more we waste electricity by using it unnecessarily. Especially for social networking, I prefer the traditional way. I am one who is widely exposed to technology and yet found many technological creation unnecessary or rather good-to-have, especially the online games and social networking. Lifestyles actually become unhealthy because of that, so why feel the pinch to let it go?

So Stone-age lifestyle feasibility study, anyone? [/quote]ksi. There are not much incentives for you to stay in a modern city then. It might be better for you to migrate to a remote village. However, living in a village not only meant forsake certain technological luxuries but you will have to put up with \"low technological\" jobs to make a living.

[MummyThreeStreams]

I haven’t made up my mind about nuclear energy in Singapore’s context.


But in response to those who say that we should seek to reduce our energy consumption, I’d like to highlight that while that is surely a worthy goal (and something that government has been gradually encouraging), it relies on many individuals and their enlightened self-interest. The government cannot sit around and wait, hoping for all Singaporeans to reduce, reuse and recycle. What if it never happens?

In the meantime, fossil fuels will get more and more expensive. This does not simply mean that we will experience slower growth. It may also mean we experience no growth or a contraction in our economy in the long-run. And as we become increasingly reliant on imports of fossil fuels, we will also become increasingly dependent on the states which supply us with these, states which may not necessarily be keen on seeing us do well. (Just look at the angst we had in our relationship with Malaysia over water.)

The thing is, our generation may not live to see this played out, but our children will. The issue is not whether we go nuclear or not. It is how we are going to secure our energy needs. A full study of alternative fuels should be studied. And, it is within this context that we need our government to look at nuclear as well as other sources. We cannot simply say no to nuclear without careful consideration simply because of fears of a Fukushima. This would be almost superstitious. How many of us actually know anything about nuclear energy? (reading about Fukushima doesn’t count because it is in the media’s DNA to focus on the disaster aspects of the event) If we don’t, how can we then simply shut off that option because we fear? I want to know our options, the alternatives. I want to know the risks. I want to know how we can reduce risks, and by how much. Only then can I make an informed decision as to how to move forward on this issue.

(ps: on the issue of solar energy, I understand that although we seem to get a lot of sunlight here, it is hard to harness because we also have lots of cloud cover, making it an uncertain source of serious energy. And solar energy also requires quite a lot of space. I’m not saying we can’t go solar. Just pointing out that it’s not so straightforward. Certainly, this is something we should expect the government to look at as well.)

[SAHM_TAN]

WeiHan:

ksi:

[quote]But from someone who live in singapore who enjoy air-con everywhere from offices to shopping centers and MRT, and beside that enjoy plasma TV, big fridges at home, modern medical care such as surgeries that was once impossible etc..and even the fact that we are able to sit behind something call the PC and using something call internet to post these messages in this forum. Can we ask ourselves whether we can forsake all these?

Yes I can forego.....
1. If ventilation is good and fans are installed in replacement, I can accept these at home. The other thing is to bathe multiple times a day.....But life has to slow down to in order to do things more manually. In public places, if someone stinks, I think no aircon place is better too, at least the stale air can flow away... :rotflmao:

2. the shopping centres...I think there are simply too many at this point.

3. TV is not an essential for us and we don't own a plasma still. :lol: I must be the only one having an ancient TV at home.

4. Personally we don't even have space for a big fridge....so that is again non issue.

5. Lastly, Internet communication is also not critical to me no matter how much I adore KSP.com. There is also a thing called telephone. In fact, the more accessibility, the more we waste electricity by using it unnecessarily. Especially for social networking, I prefer the traditional way. I am one who is widely exposed to technology and yet found many technological creation unnecessary or rather good-to-have, especially the online games and social networking. Lifestyles actually become unhealthy because of that, so why feel the pinch to let it go?

So Stone-age lifestyle feasibility study, anyone?

ksi. There are not much incentives for you to stay in a modern city then. It might be better for you to migrate to a remote village. However, living in a village not only meant forsake certain technological luxuries but you will have to put up with \"low technological\" jobs to make a living.[/quote]Grow organic foodstuff and earn $$$$, create back-to nature homestay, sure to attract many pple. The kampong homestay in M'sia is gaining popularity.

I also dun have big plasma tv. I think we are offered so many technological stuff that many think we will get bored or become helpless without them. I don't like 3D cinema, nor see the need to buy a 3D tv at home. I'm surrounded by 3D in real life, why do I need to buy?

I don't have cable, no PSP, no ipad, no gaming, no iphone , you get the idea. I'm not against technology but there's no need to be slave to it.

[markfch]

MummyThreeStreams:

I haven't made up my mind about nuclear energy in Singapore's context.


But in response to those who say that we should seek to reduce our energy consumption, I'd like to highlight that while that is surely a worthy goal (and something that government has been gradually encouraging), it relies on many individuals and their enlightened self-interest. The government cannot sit around and wait, hoping for all Singaporeans to reduce, reuse and recycle. What if it never happens?

What if figurative speaking, a rogue regime takes over our neighbouring country and sends a missile right into our reactor? Or a hijacked plane crashes into it? Unless I can be convinced that modern 4th gen nuclear reactors can withstand such an attack, it'll always be extremely unnerving to me.

And the simple reason for my fear - don't think I'm superstitious - is, we must always prepare for the worst scenario. And in the worst scenario, there is nowhere for us to run.

[WeiHan]

SAHM_TAN:

Grow organic foodstuff and earn $$$$, create back-to nature homestay, sure to attract many pple. The kampong homestay in M'sia is gaining popularity.

I also dun have big plasma tv. I think we are offered so many technological stuff that many think we will get bored or become helpless without them. I don't like 3D cinema, nor see the need to buy a 3D tv at home. I'm surrounded by 3D in real life, why do I need to buy?

I don't have cable, no PSP, no ipad, no gaming, no iphone , you get the idea. I'm not against technology but there's no need to be slave to it.

Your idea about growing food is good because we are getting lack of food worldwide. But even for growing food nowaday, we are talking about using modern technology to make the growing and harvesting economical. Without being economical would mean that your output is small and that will mean that you will be making peanut, the real peanut, not that BIG peanut.

When we are talking about technology, don't be limited and misled that it just means plasma tv and internet connection for entertainment purpose. These technology which includes transportation, agriculture, fast communication etc..actually reduce the cost of business which translates to productivity which in turn translate to products including those food and daily necessities that feed the world population. Without modern technology, world production will be so low that most people will live under the poverty line.

We are in fact dependent on technology to be able to provide this huge world population a reasonable comfortable life. Without them, most people in the world will be struggling even to live a decent life. I hope you understand what I meant. Technology today isn't just about entertainment.

[Daddy D]

On 2nd thought... if our neighbour is gonna build nuclear plants... I would rather SG build one... cos' either way, we will die from nuclear... only sooner or later.

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