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    Q&A - P4 English

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    • jedamumJ Offline
      jedamum
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      laughingcat:
      The word \"although\" is a subordinating conjunction and it joins a subordinate (dependent statement) clause to a main (independent statement) clause.


      For instance:-
      Main clause:- \"Billie refuses to forgive John.\"
      Subordinate clause:- \"John has apologised repeatedly\"

      A subordinating conjunction always comes at the beginning of a subordinate clause. It \"introduces\" a subordinate clause. However, a subordinate clause can sometimes come after and sometimes before a main clause. Thus, two structures are possible:

      1. Although John has apologised repeatedly, Billie refuses to forgive John.

      2. Billie refused to forgive John although he has apologised repeatedly.

      Hopefully I have clear your doubts.
      how come refused instead of refuses?

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      • PiggyLalalaP Offline
        PiggyLalala
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        Champion:
        laughingcat:

        Hi Champion, no problem at all. Glad that I can help. You can try to get hold of the book \"The New First Aid in English\" by Angus Maciver. There is also an answer book as well. I remember I bought it at popular bookstore years ago.



        Hi laughingcat,
        :thankyou: so much for your recommendation :celebrate: . May I check is it the following book? http://www.popular.com.sg/jsp/product/product_detail.jsp?vca001=281&vpd001=45653#%5Bimg%5Dhttp://i55.tinypic.com/27z9eoo.jpg\">

        :thankyou: for the recommendation. Have been trying to look for a good english guide for years. πŸ˜„

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        • phtthpP Offline
          phtthp
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          sorry, side track a bit .... they also have 'First Aid in Maths'.

          can click inside to view contents:-
          http://www.amazon.co.uk/First-Aid-Mathematics-Robert-Sulley/dp/1444116584/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1307355923&sr=1-2

          ok, back to English.

          laughingcat, where you buy 'First Aid in English' ?
          Popular bookshop ?

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            teh_oh
            last edited by

            Hi,


            Q) The flock of geese ___________ the poor little kitten.
            attack or attacks?
            _______________________________________________

            Q1) My mother ___________ some tuna sandwiches for us to bring along for the excursion this Friday.
            Child's answer: will prepare
            Answer key: shall prepare

            Q2) I __________return you the cookbook this Wednesday.
            Child's answer: will
            Answer key: shall

            When to use 'will' and when to use 'shall'?

            :thankyou:

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            • R Offline
              ridcully
              last edited by

              teh_oh:
              Q) The flock of geese ___________ the poor little kitten.

              attack or attacks?
              Answer is the singular verb 'attacks' because the subject is 'flock', which is a singular collective noun.
              teh_oh:
              Q1) My mother ___________ some tuna sandwiches for us to bring along for the excursion this Friday.
              Child's answer: will prepare
              Answer key: shall prepare
              Answer key is wrong; child is correct. Yet another howler by an 'answer key'!
              teh_oh:
              Q2) I __________return you the cookbook this Wednesday.
              Child's answer: will
              Answer key: shall
              For what is expected in the PSLE, the answer key is correct; child is wrong.
              teh_oh:
              When to use 'will' and when to use 'shall'?
              In what is required for the PSLE, 'shall' is used with the first person, and 'will' is used with the second and third persons.

              Think of 'first person' as the pronouns 'I' and 'we'.

              'Second person' and 'third person' are 'you', 'he', 'she', 'it' and 'they'.

              The picture, in fact, is somewhat more complicated than this, but that's a discussion for secondary level.

              Rgds
              R

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              • laughingcatL Offline
                laughingcat
                last edited by

                Q1. The answer - attacks. The "flock of geese" is referred to as a singular group – we are not talking about each geese’s direction of attack, but the direction of the flock as a whole - thus it requires the singular verb "attacks," not the plural verb "attack".



                "Shall" and "Will" are modal verbs and they are one of the most confuse usage.

                There are 2 main uses of "Shall" - (1) asking what someone wants you (or person) to do or advise. (2) Another use for shall is in expressing determination or a promise.

                The use of "Will" is used in showing someone’s predictions about the future. For instance things that someone speaks or writes about before they actually happen. Also to take note that only "Will" can be used to show willingness.


                Q1 :- answer is "will prepare"
                Q2 :- anwer is "shall"

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                  Champion
                  last edited by

                  Hello laughingcat :hi5: ,

                  I went Popular in the afternoon but was unable to get hold of the textbook for The New First Aid In English by Angus Maciver :sad: . The sales who attended to me (look a bit :? ) when I showed her the cover picture of this book I am looking for and said she has never seen it before! :scratchhead:

                  Anyway, it was very crowded so I guessed she has no much time \"entertaining\" my queries :wrongmove: ......

                  Nevertheless, I will try to source from Times Bookstore or other bigger bookstores πŸ˜„ .

                  p.s. your explanation is always so clear and precise :salute: :salute: :thankyou:

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                    ridcully
                    last edited by

                    laughingcat:
                    Q1. The answer - attacks. The \"flock of geese\" is referred to as a singular group – we are not talking about each geese's direction of attack, but the direction of the flock as a whole - thus it requires the singular verb \"attacks,\" not the plural verb \"attack\".
                    Sorry, but your analysis is incorrect.


                    'Flock' is one of those group collectives that can take both singular and plural forms. The verb is singular because 'flock' is singular, not because we are thinking of the group acting as one.

                    The verb would be plural if the subject was 'flocks', not because we are thinking of the individual geese acting separately.
                    laughingcat:
                    \"Shall\" and \"Will\" are modal verbs and they are one of the most confuse usage.

                    There are 2 main uses of \"Shall\" - (1) asking what someone wants you (or person) to do or advise. (2) Another use for shall is in expressing determination or a promise.

                    The use of \"Will\" is used in showing someone's predictions about the future. For instance things that someone speaks or writes about before they actually happen. Also to take note that only \"Will\" can be used to show willingness.
                    For primary schooling, the students learn that 'will' is the neutral future. The primary students also learn about other ways of looking at the future eg 'be going to', present simple and present continuous.

                    'Will' can also be used when making an instant decision.

                    Learning about 'will' beyond neutral future and instant decisions is not, I understand, in the primary syllabus.

                    Rgds
                    R

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                      Champion
                      last edited by

                      ridcully:
                      laughingcat:

                      Q1. The answer - attacks. The \"flock of geese\" is referred to as a singular group – we are not talking about each geese's direction of attack, but the direction of the flock as a whole - thus it requires the singular verb \"attacks,\" not the plural verb \"attack\".

                      Sorry, but your analysis is incorrect.


                      'Flock' is one of those group collectives that can take both singular and plural forms. The verb is singular because 'flock' is singular, not because we are thinking of the group acting as one.

                      The verb would be plural if the subject was 'flocks', not because we are thinking of the individual geese acting separately.
                      laughingcat:
                      \"Shall\" and \"Will\" are modal verbs and they are one of the most confuse usage.

                      There are 2 main uses of \"Shall\" - (1) asking what someone wants you (or person) to do or advise. (2) Another use for shall is in expressing determination or a promise.

                      The use of \"Will\" is used in showing someone's predictions about the future. For instance things that someone speaks or writes about before they actually happen. Also to take note that only \"Will\" can be used to show willingness.
                      For primary schooling, my analysis is what the students must learn.

                      With regard to the future, 'will' is the neutral future. The primary students also learn about other ways of looking at the future eg 'be going to', present simple and present continuous.

                      'Will' can also be used when making an instant decision.

                      Learning about 'will' beyond neutral future and instant decisions is not, I understand, in the primary syllabus. I believe that I did make this point in my earlier posting.

                      Rgds
                      R

                      Hi Ridcully,
                      Thanks for the further elaboration on the above; appreciates much :thankyou:

                      English is really \"big & wide\" πŸ˜“ πŸ˜“ ...There are soooooooooo...many things to learn & remember πŸ˜“ πŸ˜“ . Really appreciates all the efforts in putting what each has learnt and know at this forum for all to be aware :celebrate: ....

                      I am really πŸ˜“ πŸ˜“ each time I have to sit down and do English revision with DDs :nailbite: .....So, Rule 1 - Mummy learns first and fast then can coach πŸ˜‰

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                        ridcully
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                        Champion, you're welcome!


                        Yes, role-modelling learning yourself is an excellent example to set the kids.

                        More power to you!

                        :celebrate:

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