新加坡人满口错误, 何时会改善？ 快了! 大家快加油, 面对挑战!
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Agree with empressplace. Your 1st post came across and very critical. Instead of assuming the position of one who is try to learn and pass on proper English and Chinese, you assumed the role of a critic by pointing out the common mistakes and then proceeded to give solutions. Like what some members mentioned if the post was not riddled with mistakes, it would have been rather compelling. But when the post was found to be full of mistakes, readers will feel that you are not in the position to criticise at all.
I had the same impression when I read the 1st post. It was in your subsequent posts that you mentioned that you are learning as well and appreciate the opportunity to learn the correct terms.
If in the opening of your 1st entry, you had stated your hopes of being able to let your kids pick up proper English and Chinese but are encountering various challenges, from being taught the wrong terms or pronunciation yourself, to your kid’s teachers teaching them the wrong terms, etc instead of going straight into telling us what we are doing wrong, it may have garnered a more positive response.
However, there are some of us who more or less know your intentions and understand your frustrations. -
现在是什么情况? sounds familiar ? :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
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Hahaaa. Thanks All. Before my first write out was posted, i turned to friends who did better in school but obviously, they do not see the need and neither feel the impact despite their kids go for lots of tution. I did anticpant the outcome… the responds help ourselves see clearly which direction most people go and focus on. For friends who are in the same boat or having positive mindset, they will not look at that way. There is a common sign that when someone point out a mistakes, the later is not interested to understand further but buzy finding ways and mistakes to fire back. Start with my mistakes and let them have the passion to be conscious of those daily repeated mistakes from the general public. I didn’t say I’m good or better… They judged themselves. I stated facts that people by pass.
And there is a fact here for everybody. Says who that if a person is weak in writing chinese characters, this person is unable to recognised wrong pronunciation and phrases? Whose rule? Not true… People who are weak in this area might do better speaking and Vs.
Some folks might have this same experience. No matter what mistakes someone points out, so long it is a valid one, a conscious person will take
care of it will make lesser mistakes down the road. Especially certain particular mistakes. If he closed his door to a valid mistake, more mistakes were in the line and he will be years behind when he starts taking care of it.
He is also less likely to see problems quickly. Which explains why some daily repeated mistakes is forever despite most parents nowsdays were more educated from the previous generation. Of course this could be very subjective when other do not see it value when you do. The enivronment tells where we are.
Infact, we have more problems apart from language skills, gracious nation, poor customers services standard… We need more positive mindsets and people with foresight before we could feel or see the improvement. With certain qualities, we could polish our language skills and overcome other more difficult issues. -
A person who speaks well needs to pronounce words well and speak grammatically. Hence one needs to pay attention to both pronunciation and grammar. It is not enough to be vigilant about Singlish in our environment.
I understand you have some difficulties with grammar and word recognition despite your efforts. So it is highly possible that some people may have difficulty improving their speech despite efforts. Being highly educated does not necessarily mean that one is strong in spoken language. For example, some people are more numerical and less verbal and excel in numerical fields. It is not purely an issue of attitude alone.
In the general scheme of things, one may prioritise other areas of life depending on one’s circumstances and may not emphasise the spoken language as much as you do. We must always respect the choices and wisdom of others; just as they respect ours.
与其改变环境，不如改变自己。
别人不了解我，不是他们的错，是我自己沟通得不够好。
别人不同意我的观点，不是他们的错，是我自己不够说服力。
与其说教，不如以身作则。
以上供参考，要改变一些社会现象，人际关系因素还是挺重要的，因为沟通方式不当，只有反效果。 -
I am referring to improvement or progress within their means.
Environment is created by people. There are certain childcare centers with more china kids and more Australian for Australian School..etc, these are the environment where if you send your kids there… it is easier for them to speak certain language more fluently. For some reasons, I go for事在人为. Sometimes if one didn’t maintain certain skills, after a while or a long time… it will be lost. Eg. Some people learned Elementary Japanese and hadn’t the environment to speak Japanese.
I felt that we should progress and someday when we need to deal with huge foreign competition, we could take care of it easily.
Why am I addressing our problems on spoken languages… a very practical reason… no matter what we speak everyday… English as a First language and Mandarin as 2nd for mostly Chinese(because of that SG is very unique)… for at least 10 to 15 years(Schooling) and over 20... 30... 40 years of experience talking… It is very sad that some positions like customer service officers, credit cards/banks hotlines… our local is not speaking fluent enough to fill such position. Most Asian countries have their
own language and English as a foreign languages and they could speak very fluent English. They account for it better. Nowadays, filipinos filled professional position like nurses, bankers and senior officers. I also realized that hotlines for BOC, they hired many Chinese who speaks very good English.
Come on.. what’s else to share about our daily repeated mistakes… Let’s share and progress. -
I’ve heard numerious complaints about our spoken Languages standard(parents of other nationality) and usually, I will pay more attention to those particular words or phrases. Some words are easy to be mis-used and get hooked, Eg. "got", "already","Never"… Etc. After replacing "Sure!" with "Can,can,can"(for instance) helps to make spoken English sounds much better. I realized that "Can" already comes from Hokkien "Egg Siagh" (didn’t know e correct spelling, just how it sounds) which many Hokkien used to end their conversation.
Like all campaigns, regardless it’s quit smoking/recycling/ban singish/speak proper mandarin/english campaigns… Need more people to participate inorder for it to work and improve the environment. Last week on 9.58 FM, they exchanged ideals about bringing up our standard… And this is very motivating.
Children picks up lines very quickly and if no body cares about speaking proper English/Mandarin, they will be badly affected… Since we have more educated parents(over e years) than before… It should helps. Let’s be inspired! 加油！ -
Here is a tough one. How do we say "Please Cc me in all future emails" in proper Mandarin. Anyone knows?
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Good to have someone pointing out the facts though.
Ya… After recognizing that "读书" is not so correct, I think "上学" should be used more frequently. My other friends came back to Singapore for summer holiday and told me that their children pick up broken english so quickly. I was also surprised to find more foreigners than before. There were many Filipinos working in Coffee Bean these days and they speak good english. In the States, many Chinese can’t speak Mandarin but if you find someone who speaks Mandarin, you will be impressed… although they learn from their parents. Pardon me… looking at the current environment, it is a long way to go before you start hearing more local speaking with better languages standard. That is why many of my friends brought their children to the States for education. Singaporean definitely are capable of doing better… but Alas… too hard to beat it. -
General99all:
Here is a tough one. How do we say \"Please Cc me in all future emails\" in proper Mandarin. Anyone knows?
以后的邮件请抄送一份给我. -
Yes. "抄送"， hear many people talking to their china supplier "请放我进去”or "放我在里面”。 I think "请在来往的邮件中，抄送给我。" is also correct.
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