Presidential Election 2011

[concern2]

sleepy:

concern2:

So, essentially, there will be 3 different powers, each performing different and important roles. It is 三足鼎立, firm and steady.

3 powers like 三国演义 ?
can expect war of tongues

I would interpret he means 谁也吃不了谁.

[Way2GO]

concern2:

So your interpretation would be no PAP supporters for TCB?

On the contrary. TCB will not hv enuf of d other non-PAP votes to win.
TCB’s core group would hv been PAP grassroots n other PAP supporters not persuaded by TT's reputation.
He was d first to throw in his hat n was probably banking on d 40% who voted
against d PAP to support him in his bid. Even against TT in a one-to-one
scenario, he stood a real good chance of getting elected.

Now d 40% will be split three ways n d middle ground, four ways.
Whichever way one looks at it, TT has d advantage with d PAP hardcore, elites, pro-business groups, unions n clans oredi in his bag.

[kiddo]

concern2:

Way2GO:

A simple strategy of divide n conquer in PAP’s game plan

n many like me r now faced with a dilemma tmr.
If d contest was only bwt TCB n TT, my vote would hv gone to d Golden Retriever.
I suspect many others would hv voted d same way.

In d current scenario even if I discount TKL,
it’s still quite close bwt TCB or TJS against TT.
D only way TCB or TJS can win against TT is if d undecided swing voters ALL
chose d same ONE contender (TCB or TJS) most likely to win against TT.
A difficult proposition since both TCB n TJS camps think each is d one.
No one can rally all behind one banner.
Got to hand it to the PAP for a very effective strategy learnt from the British.
Don't even need to get their hands dirty.

So your interpretation would be no PAP supporters for TCB?

There's the concern that this PE eventually going this way

[caroline3sg]

I have slight difference in analysis on the 60%-40% splitting into 4 candidates.


The 40% hard core pro opp would vote for TJS (probably 3/4 of votes).

Substantial chunk of 60% (living in the west, where quality of opp candidates for GE are not comparable to WP) voted opp to bring down PAP %. This group would vote TJS.

Hence it is TT 30%, TCB 30%, TJS 30% & TKL 10%. We shall see how much % points shift amongst the 3 candidates.

I believe forumers here don’t mind whether TCB or TJS win, as long as not TT.

If TT wins, then really S’pore 完蛋了. Taxi drivers will continue driving till 75 yrs, goal post of CPF withdrawal will further shift backwards and don’t need to hope CPF employer contribution will hit 20%.

PS. I am not figures oriented. Just guts feel.

[hquek]

The thing about endorsements…it’s only from top pp that endorse, what the rank and file does (aka the majority) is up to them. and during GE, pp will vote carefully becos the management of their towns will be affected (some pp want upgrading etc etc). But PE could be a different kettle of fish.


i can’t predict. not great with numbers. Just gut feel only.

[Way2GO]

caroline3sg:

I have slight difference in analysis on the 60%-40% splitting into 4 candidates.


The 40% hard core pro opp would vote for TJS (probably 3/4 of votes).

Substantial chunk of 60% (living in the west, where quality of opp candidates for GE are not comparable to WP) voted opp to bring down PAP %. This group would vote TJS.

Hence it is TT 30%, TCB 30%, TJS 30% & TKL 10%. We shall see how much % points shift amongst the 3 candidates.

I believe forumers here don't mind whether TCB or TJS win, as long as not TT.

If TT wins, then really S'pore 完蛋了. Taxi drivers will continue driving till 75 yrs, goal post of CPF withdrawal will further shift backwards and don't need to hope CPF employer contribution will hit 20%.

PS. I am not figures oriented. Just guts feel.

First I must qualify dat d 60% - 40% I used was just a rough guide
for convenient n common reference.
PAP hardcore supporters likely number less than 60%.
This is not d GE – there r no handouts to sweeten d ground to sway some swing voters.
Neither do I think there is 40% hard core oppo supporters.

Whoever wins is not going to change anything concrete under d current Constitution.
However, IMV, if someone other than TT wins, it’s a moral victory to strengthen d msg of GE2011 n keep d ruling party on its toes.

[concern2]

Strparent:

puff:

If u still cannot decide who to vote ... Maybe a simplify version will help u

Who would you put in a room to watch your kid to make sure he do his homework properly?

1) his best friend
2) the teacher that he don't like
3) grandfather that he knows he can easily convince him not to tell u if he misbehave
4) A uncle that your kid think he can step over
:evil:

Puff :hi5: ,

good analogy indeed.

much like what Basil Hwang spoke about below, about looking after a classroom - you cannot appoint your friend, even a monitor - you need an independent separate individual.

He gave the analogy at around the 6.35min point..... the rest of his speech was not bad either

Thanks for sharing! All these elections are carving out new prospects for the young and motivated!

[growie]

Way2GO:

caroline3sg:

I have slight difference in analysis on the 60%-40% splitting into 4 candidates.


The 40% hard core pro opp would vote for TJS (probably 3/4 of votes).

Substantial chunk of 60% (living in the west, where quality of opp candidates for GE are not comparable to WP) voted opp to bring down PAP %. This group would vote TJS.

Hence it is TT 30%, TCB 30%, TJS 30% & TKL 10%. We shall see how much % points shift amongst the 3 candidates.

I believe forumers here don't mind whether TCB or TJS win, as long as not TT.

If TT wins, then really S'pore 完蛋了. Taxi drivers will continue driving till 75 yrs, goal post of CPF withdrawal will further shift backwards and don't need to hope CPF employer contribution will hit 20%.

PS. I am not figures oriented. Just guts feel.

First I must qualify dat d 60% - 40% I used was just a rough guide
for convenient n common reference.
PAP hardcore supporters likely number less than 60%.
This is not d GE – there r no handouts to sweeten d ground to sway some swing voters.
Neither do I think there is 40% hard core oppo supporters.

Whoever wins is not going to change anything concrete under d current Constitution.
However, IMV, if someone other than TT wins, it’s a moral victory to strengthen d msg of GE2011 n keep d ruling party on its toes.

:goodpost: Very true.. :xedfingers:

[kiddo]

growie:

Way2GO:

Whoever wins is not going to change anything concrete under d current Constitution.

However, IMV, if someone other than TT wins, it’s a moral victory to strengthen d msg of GE2011 n keep d ruling party on its toes.

:goodpost: Very true.. :xedfingers:

:hi5: Let's hope :xedfingers:

[limlim]

Way2GO:

He was d first to throw in his hat n was probably banking on d 40% who voted
against d PAP to support him in his bid. Even against TT in a one-to-one
scenario, he stood a real good chance of getting elected.

I still believe it is Plan A, Plan B.. Althou not sure actually which is plan A, which is plan B....