Presidential Election 2011
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verykiasu2010:
and so it came to pass.... they should have come to read kiasuparents.com, esp TJS and TKL and TKL could have saved $48k plus other expenses
I'm pretty sure TKL and the rest knows why so many COEs were given out, which explains why he kept hinting that he will pull out after the COE issuance. As to why he chose to stay in the fight despite knowing the probable outcome, only he can answer that question. -
Any way, congrats to Dr TT
However, as a PhD holder in mathematics, he must certainly know for the next 6 x 365 days that 65% or two thirds of Singapore had voted for someone else other than him to be their president -
phtthp:
why in those days under President Ong Teng Cheong's time and during President Nathan's time, we don't have so many candidates to choose, whereas now got 4 ?
they did not realise then that the more COE would have benefited the power that be as many wannabes would have split the votes . ... it takes a PhD in maths to teach them the truth, and it is confirmed by an expert in actuary -
After a good night rest, woke up to read all the comments on this forum after the election. Just want to share a few thoughts about the results.
I understand the frustration expressed by all. I did not vote for TT either like most of us here. The forum has given us the opportunity to share our thoughts. I believe everyone has the right to their opinion. I am sure there are more out there who is just to frustrated to say anything or may think "what is the point of saying what I think?" since it is already decided.
Whether they are going to change the voting process or not, I hope they can bring this up in Parliament. But the fact that this election is played by this rules, we have to accept it. No amount of talking or head banging will change that.
Its time to move on. As I have mentioned earlier, I just hope that the 3 who lost be gracious about it and say their congratulations to the winner. Also, I really hope TT will be humble in winning. He must acknowledge the majority did not vote for him. He must work hard for the next 6 years to earn my respect. He must show that he has the interests of all Singapore and has the ability to connect to the majority of Singapore. Please do that for the sake of Singapore. Do not divide us anymore. Please.
Having said all that, it occured to me as I was walking around in Suntec City yesterday afternoon. Singaporeans are just going about their business as acting as nothing has happened. We may talk about it in private but Singaporeans know that life have to go on. We don’t see people going onto the streets to protest. That I am glad. -
limlim:
Hmmmmm... The point is... it is not a question of insufficient resources to track. And I am not a big fish at all... Just someone who used very very strong language and presented a persuasive case against some current govt practices.Mebbe you're big fish mah.. most are small prawns..
Anyway, China is already a superpower and well know for disregard for humans rights.. SG is not.
If they dealt with someone and publicise it.. they will not look good on the international stage.
And if they wanna maintain SG's reputation, they cannot do too extreme..
And yes... I agree with you that the govt would suffer international sanctions if it were repressive. But if a govt really did not care... and was content only with lining its own pockets, then it would not be put off by any international sanctions that would hurt its economy or international standing.
What we say on the internet does clip our govt's wings somewhat. And that is good. We should continue to give substantial feedback. All I am pointing out is that the conspiracy theories don't hold water. I don't mean to put people's backs up. I just thought that the elections are over and the time to work together has begun. -
Strparent:
The purpose was to get across the idea, backed by by own personal experience, that the PAP does not try to frighten people into voting for them, and that people (even civil servants) are not afraid, under this current regime to vote opposition, and to attend opposition rallies and be filmed and photographed there.I was not sure about your purposes for these comments, and limlim has engaged some points.Your points are valid to a certain extent. However, you seem to imply
1) all of us do not think we can be tracked.
2) all of us only dare to make our comments behind the net.
Believe me, we all know everything we say on the internet can be tracked. Eg if Chief wants to, she can track any one of our IPs and it will lead to our home and us, so it is akin to speaking with our faces unveiled.. So kindly refrain from trying to scoff at our expression of our views. This has been proven by the arrest of those who wrongly make rascist remarks or those who has the intention of fraud in the forum.
basicially we are all just stating our personal opinions. Sure, we get carried away and make fun of those we do not like, but isn't that what we do amongst neighbours and colleagues too ? and yes the government today is tolerant and non-repressive to a certain extent. But there was a time, when comments like these are spoke about in public, there is a real danger of being invited for coffee.
At this age of internet, blogging and many many forums, there are bound to be some ugly comments, but as long as we are mature adults enough to NOT cross the line ( and this line is usually stretched a little more during elections in the past few years ).
None of us deny the fact that this government has its strengths and the good it has done for the country, but do note that most times we kpkb for the sake of those who are left behind, the needy, those that fall through the cracks.
And yes, the MPs today are not all good in reaching out, this is rightly pointed out by JonC. I have stated this to my previous MP when she did her door to door visits. She was a dedicated MP, but sitll many dont like her, but you gives out newsletter every month, she arranges neighbourhood trips to Malaysia, holiday celebrations, and several charity work as well. I do not mince my words to much, whenever she asked my view on the PAP. There are several who gives a bad name, and some who simply treat the MP as a status thing...the allowance helps of course. But we do see good ones.
The PM has made some changes after the GE, some I think for the better. The retirement of unpopular Mininsters, for eg. He has shown he does not want to hang on to his predecessor's apron strings, and that can only be good for us.
But we see all these genuine drive and energy at some opposition parties during the GE, we naturally want to push for more good people inside the parliament.
For this PE, on hindsight yes, it happens again. We pushed too hard. We had a chance to settle for a small change to someone like TCB, but a substantial numbe rof us tried to push for MORE too fast with someone without PAP ties. much like we led 1-0, could have accepted it and defended, but some players went for broke to make it 2 or 3, and at the end, they equalise and it ended 1-1. Status quo.
This forum has been great to share many comments and views. One reason was because it did not allow personal attacks in any form, directly or indirectly ).
Peace
I am certainly sorry that you feel like you've been indirectly attacked for being insulting. The fact is, you have been insulting on more than one occasion. But then, it was probably in the heat of the moment... and due to the fact that you do care very much what happens to Singapore. And you have been VERY gracious to understand that the unflattering descriptives tread the very thin line between propriety and impropriety. Given the family friendly nature of this forum (mommies and pre-teen kids log in here), one may need to be a wee bit more vigilant about behaving like we would amongst our friends (who are all adults and perhaps mostly male) of long acquantance.
I also thank you sincerely for writing the above piece because it presents a well balanced view that can be a basis for a healthy and productive working relationship between the government and ourselves. There was no intention to attack YOU personally and I do apologise if my PERSONAL disapproval of the GENERAL practice of insulting and abusing politicians online, has dealt you a glancing blow. I did not intend it.
Peace. :imsorry: -
JonC:
From my own experience, this is exactly what the PAP did with me. Does that make it a good government then? :imanangel:Tracked, who cares!
As the MIW always say \"this is a global world\", if cannot stay, move overseas then.
The people is the master, the MIW is the servants (LHL say that MP is to serve people before the election, remember), since when things start to turn the other way round.
A good government / management should not track but should listen and reflect if it's true, else will be out of touch and finally ship out. -
Chenonceau:
I believe, that it is a matter of fact that, most pple already lost faith in giving feedback or that MIW will listen.. They even acknowledge Publicly themselves that they are \"deaf frogs\".. (Guess it was in the MSM?)
What we say on the internet does clip our govt's wings somewhat. And that is good. We should continue to give substantial feedback. All I am pointing out is that the conspiracy theories don't hold water. I don't mean to put people's backs up. I just thought that the elections are over and the time to work together has begun.
That is why, many netizens, resort to feedback at the polls for a REAL change rather than feedback thru other channels.
Another thing is, the leader don't walk the talk or led by examples. This results in little credibility in whatever they're saying and pple are not buying into it.
As specify examples, tagging their salary to national median instead of GDP, or being CBF themselves would have made a difference.. to show their commitment to citizens.. but they just wouldn't do it.
And, we expect a good Govt to show Transparency and Accountability but unfortunately, this appears to be serious lacking. Did you give feedback about this? Did they act? Case in point, TH & Mas selamat..
Many times, what pple perceive is just \"keep out of my elite uncaring face\" attitude..
Many netizens recognise the only \"feedback\" medium that will yield results is the voting slip. -
phtthp:
why in those days under President Ong Teng Cheong's time and during President Nathan's time, we don't have so many candidates to choose, whereas now got 4 ?
bcoz the candidates felt that the time is not \"ripe\" then?
The GE2011 might have given them a sign or confidence that they have a chance.. b4 that, is like no chance.. The presence of social media in contrast to MSM might be a factor too. -
I hope voters who make their votes invalid can be more responsible next time. Every votes is important. Don’t waste it.
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