Presidential Election 2011
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Chenonceau:
One thinks that the internet gives anonymity but I know for a fact that if anyone wanted to, they CAN (and in some criminal cases) they DO track down exactly who is writing what and from where. The technology exists to do that.
This is true.
I personally knew of a case of a very clever colleague who called the internet service provider to track down somebody sending suspicious email to her. Apparently can trace the PC ID and then trace back to the subscriber. That sender got the shock of his life I am sure. -
Chenonceau:
Yup. Perhaps we should have 2 Presidents.
Another way of looking at it is that TT + TCB (both PAP men) is far more than the non-PAP faces. MIW still have some sort of mandate.raysusan:
Combined votes of TCB and TJS are more than TT's in all centers. We shot ourselves in the foot again.
One to balance-off the other! :evil:
Or even all 3 together as a Council of Presidents? -
DesertWind:
Yup. Perhaps we should have 2 Presidents.
Another way of looking at it is that TT + TCB (both PAP men) is far more than the non-PAP faces. MIW still have some sort of mandate.Chenonceau:
[quote=\"raysusan\"]
Combined votes of TCB and TJS are more than TT's in all centers. We shot ourselves in the foot again.
One to balance-off the other! :evil:
Or even all 3 together as a Council of Presidents?[/quote] :rotflmao: -
tankee:
True lah. Now the votes are split 3-ways, no use finger-pointing at each other!DesertWind:
Yup, could not help wishing TKL had pulled out and TJS did not appear! Then TCB would win.
TJS supporters may have similar wishes, if only TCB had pulled out and TT did not appear! then TJS would win. :siam:
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Chenonceau:
Thanks, Chenonceau, for sharing your thoughts.concern2:
One of the major concerns of MNCs is political stability. Singapore is bent on this advantage - but at the cost of its people. The divide is caused by the people who created it in the first place, yet we continue to hub on stability. STABILITY OF WHAT? Stability of having bigger cracks to balance on lest we become the ones to fall through? I can yet find my own resolution.
So... if the MNCs pull out and jobs are lost, it will not cost people their livelihoods... their spending power... their peace of mind? So... you want the MNCs to pull out to gain a quantum leap in political change, as if that will not ALSO cost the people?
It seems to me that the pace of change is nice and brisk. A good warning has been given to the MIW. There will be greater debate in parliament... and in the next 5 years, the opposition will strengthen and will be more ready to take on governance as (and if) PAP further weakens (in its ability to stay in touch and attract men/women of calibre). That is a pretty good balance between change and status quo.
One mustn't be in such a hurry to CHANGE, CHANGE and CHANGE that we forget that the bathtub holds both the baby and the bath water... and why throw the baby out with he bath water. We may be somewhat disappointed in the results but there is always a tomorrow to hope in.
My humble 2 cents.
As for PAP scaring people to vote for them, there is really no basis. One thinks that the internet gives anonymity but I know for a fact that if anyone wanted to, they CAN (and in some criminal cases) they DO track down exactly who is writing what and from where. The technology exists to do that. We are brave and loud-mouthed and abusive because we think we can't be tracked. The truth is, no one bothers to track. This reflects the government's tolerance of dissident views and determination to allow the people's voices rise up.
I have written severe anti-govt pieces on my blog. They tracked me down. I did not go to jail. Indeed, there was an earnest desire to listen and dialogue and find solutions. Elections are over. We need to work with the government we have. We should NOT shut up and submit. We should continue to say our piece and give our feedback and help each other do better. Until the next elections, where we get to choose again.
So let's stop with these conspiracy theories... people are scared... people are afraid... people don't wanna risk... My question is, when I write a severely anti-govt piece, I stand up and show my face to the government and I present the logic of my stand. They KNOW who I am. We have conversed. Those who come here and write out conspiracies and unflattering descriptives, would you say the same things with faces unveiled?
As I mentioned, I have yet to find my own resolution..There are not many people around me who are willing to share their political views. I am often disappointed by remarks like,\"Don't need to think lah, just vote XXX!!\", end of discussion. :sad:
This is precisely why I ALWAYS come back to KSP to for a more varied opinion, and more BALANCED discussion, with like minds :hi5: :celebrate:
I ALWAYS keep in mind that I CAN BE TRACKED when I write here. It is true that there are instances of spur of the moment. These, are also personal feelings expressed publicly, and I am prepared for disapprovals (like parents always tell you cannot say xxxx, but sometimes you intentionally let it slip out, sorry ah, papa!
)
I am not so much into politics that I will put my stand on my FB or blog, cos from my last experience with GE, it affects my relationships with people I care about (so becomes TABOO).
However, talking about things that one is really concerned about gives one HOPE and makes one feel ALIVE.
Just sharing my views... -
Just my feeling:
When I was young, I recite our Pledge with much pride and believe it whole heartedly. Every year I would watch National Day Parade without FAIL and feel sooo proud to be A Singaporean.
As years go by, especially into Motherhood, I start not feel what the Pledge has stated. Now, I feel I am a minority (2.Xmillion) in this Land that has (6.Xmillion) people. I stop celebrating National Day and think it’s just another Public Holiday.
On some occasions, I really feel, they treasure foreign talent more that Local ones. I want a future for my Children….we have no other Land to return and we are Singaporean since my Great Grandfather…..My great/grand/father, are not whatever TALENT but they contributed wholeheartedly when many are uncertain of her future.
Please, I want to have those feeling about Singapore back. Would the New President be about to help me, believed once again in Our Pledge? Look at what an ordinary Singaporean really wants for their future besides just economic aspect only. What’s the point of ALL economy prosperity, and I stop feeling Proud to be a True Singaporean…… -
concern2:
Thanks, Chenonceau, for sharing your thoughts.Chenonceau:
[quote=\"concern2\"]One of the major concerns of MNCs is political stability. Singapore is bent on this advantage - but at the cost of its people. The divide is caused by the people who created it in the first place, yet we continue to hub on stability. STABILITY OF WHAT? Stability of having bigger cracks to balance on lest we become the ones to fall through? I can yet find my own resolution.
So... if the MNCs pull out and jobs are lost, it will not cost people their livelihoods... their spending power... their peace of mind? So... you want the MNCs to pull out to gain a quantum leap in political change, as if that will not ALSO cost the people?
It seems to me that the pace of change is nice and brisk. A good warning has been given to the MIW. There will be greater debate in parliament... and in the next 5 years, the opposition will strengthen and will be more ready to take on governance as (and if) PAP further weakens (in its ability to stay in touch and attract men/women of calibre). That is a pretty good balance between change and status quo.
One mustn't be in such a hurry to CHANGE, CHANGE and CHANGE that we forget that the bathtub holds both the baby and the bath water... and why throw the baby out with he bath water. We may be somewhat disappointed in the results but there is always a tomorrow to hope in.
My humble 2 cents.
As for PAP scaring people to vote for them, there is really no basis. One thinks that the internet gives anonymity but I know for a fact that if anyone wanted to, they CAN (and in some criminal cases) they DO track down exactly who is writing what and from where. The technology exists to do that. We are brave and loud-mouthed and abusive because we think we can't be tracked. The truth is, no one bothers to track. This reflects the government's tolerance of dissident views and determination to allow the people's voices rise up.
I have written severe anti-govt pieces on my blog. They tracked me down. I did not go to jail. Indeed, there was an earnest desire to listen and dialogue and find solutions. Elections are over. We need to work with the government we have. We should NOT shut up and submit. We should continue to say our piece and give our feedback and help each other do better. Until the next elections, where we get to choose again.
So let's stop with these conspiracy theories... people are scared... people are afraid... people don't wanna risk... My question is, when I write a severely anti-govt piece, I stand up and show my face to the government and I present the logic of my stand. They KNOW who I am. We have conversed. Those who come here and write out conspiracies and unflattering descriptives, would you say the same things with faces unveiled?
As I mentioned, I have yet to find my own resolution..There are not many people around me who are willing to share their political views. I am often disappointed by remarks like,\"Don't need to think lah, just vote XXX!!\", end of discussion. :sad:
This is precisely why I ALWAYS come back to KSP to for a more varied opinion, and more BALANCED discussion, with like minds :hi5: :celebrate:
I ALWAYS keep in mind that I CAN BE TRACKED when I write here. It is true that there are instances of spur of the moment. These, are also personal feelings expressed publicly, and I am prepared for disapprovals (like parents always tell you cannot say xxxx, but sometimes you intentionally let it slip out, sorry ah, papa! )
I am not so much into politics that I will put my stand on my FB or blog, cos from my last experience with GE, it affects my relationships with people I care about (so becomes TABOO).
However, talking about things that one is really concerned about gives one HOPE and makes one feel ALIVE.
Just sharing my views...[/quote]Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwww...
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The outcome was almost expected (the margin wasn’t !! ).
I am not bothered because I think many of us disgree on what the office of the President is about and should be.
But this is a starting point.
Tony Tan won. But with his paper-thin margin, I hope the ruling party gets the message and expedite their promised "transformation". -
ksi:
My thots too but with a caveat.If I see election as a game, my afterthoughts are the campaigning candidates are simply not \"smart\" enough to outsmart Ah Gong and collectively, we people are also not able to outsmart Ah Gong's thought process....the strategic thinking power is immaculate.
I take comfort that if this is applied in working for the country in times of difficulties with external parties, then we are in VERY good hands. *Bravo* If not, it may just be misconstrued as something negative. I choose to see it as the former and I am happy to put my hands together to clap for the new President. *All Hail the new President*!!!! It was a good calculated win! *clap clap* Now is delivery of promise time.
Ah Gong is not in full control of external parties,
but is with all instruments of state in SG. -
Why I said TT first order of business as d President is to initiate
an independent commission of inquiry into d PT affair n resolve it
once n for all with honesty, transparancy n full accountability.
The SAF pledge
We, Members of the Singapore Armed Forces,
do solemnly and sincerely pledge that:
We will always bear true faith and allegiance to the
President and the Republic of Singapore.
We will always support and defend the
Constitution.
We will preserve and protect the honour and independence
of our country with our lives.
-----------------------------------------------------------
All NS men, on enlistment, makes this pledge
with their right hand on their heart in front of d
standing President's photo.
How many men n women can now pledge with all
their hearts, without reservations, to lay down their lives
for a President n country when d PT affair is not properly n fully resolved?
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