GEP 2011 - Screening & Selection

[mommyNg]

jtoh:

chamonix:

I would say there's a certain extent of truth about luck. Otherwise, how does one explain why some kids who have been tested gifted (IQ test or Mensa) failed to make it past the second round? ok, better :siam: now.

Could it be bec the GEP test is not an IQ test per se? It has three elements - English, Math and General Ability.

There are always extraneous factors relating to one's performance in tests that render the validity of most tests less ideal than they ought to be. For example, a particular gifted child may not be doing his/her best due to various reasons such as tiredness, anxiety, sickness, etc. The GEP round 2 tests are pretty intense, 2 papers each day about 2-3 hours per day.

Hence, I prefer to reason that most children with 'gifted' abilities should do well enough to be the top 500, but there will also be some children who 'lost' out due to other possible reasons. A child's performance of a test is at best reflective of his ability as what happens for that particular test on that day.

[comfy]

vlim:

Just4Fun:

[quote=\"comfy\"]Hi, just to share the abit about the baseline score. According to one teacher during the PTM, she said that if the child's score is below/around the baseline line, then most likely need to attend remedial lessons. Don't know whether any kid that has failed one or more subjects get promoted to next level.

Thanks Comfy, for yr explaination on the baseline. Since the baseline = 70%, and the paper is much tougher than the mainsteam ( assuming 20% harder) , then isn't the baseline score can be as high as 90% using the mainsteam std ? :? Very difficult leh. Wonder how many GEP students will hv to attend the remedial class ?

Well it is hard to say .. Those who always get top in class from p1-3 and got into gep, might end up to be an average students in gep whereas those tt got lower position then him from p1-3 and got into gep might out shine him instead as Ge program will make the truly gifted ones stand out ..[/quote]From my oberservation in my dd's class, those who perform very well or reasonably well have tuition/enrichment lessons in all 3 subjects (esp in the very popular & expensive one :evil: ). So far, those who required to attend remedial lessons have bascially no tuition in that subject. Hence wise parents here, you can draw your own conclusion. All are bright children but result can differ much depending on external 'help' & of course the personality/attitude of the kids.

[comfy]

Just4Fun:

comfy:

Hi, just to share the abit about the baseline score. According to one teacher during the PTM, she said that if the child's score is below/around the baseline line, then most likely need to attend remedial lessons. Don't know whether any kid that has failed one or more subjects get promoted to next level.

Thanks Comfy, for yr explaination on the baseline. Since the baseline = 70%, and the paper is much tougher than the mainsteam ( assuming 20% harder) , then isn't the baseline score can be as high as 90% using the mainsteam std ? :? Very difficult leh. Wonder how many GEP students will hv to attend the remedial class ?

Yes, so far in my dd's case, if she obtain around 60+, her mainstream score is around 80+ (or can be low band1). Another reason for poor performance, can be due to teacher (as I have shared earlier in another thread). So bascially for kids without tuition/enrichment/coaching from parents, the teachers are the most important source of learning and this will show in their results.

[wonderm]

chamonix:

I would say there's a certain extent of truth about luck. Otherwise, how does one explain why some kids who have been tested gifted (IQ test or Mensa) failed to make it past the second round? ok, better :siam: now.

Can be easily explained, most who passed first round of test but not the second round, are just not as gifted (in the aspects tested) as those who passed both rounds. Both my boys belong to this group.

There is always element of luck in any exam, but I think to be fair, most who qualifed for GEP are just simply smarter than those who don't.

[vlim]

comfy:

vlim:

Well it is hard to say .. Those who always get top in class from p1-3 and got into gep, might end up to be an average students in gep whereas those tt got lower position then him from p1-3 and got into gep might out shine him instead as Ge program will make the truly gifted ones stand out ..

From my oberservation in my dd's class, those who perform very well or reasonably well have tuition/enrichment lessons in all 3 subjects (esp in the very popular & expensive one :evil: ). So far, those who required to attend remedial lessons have bascially no tuition in that subject. Hence wise parents here, you can draw your own conclusion. All are bright children but result can differ much depending on external 'help' & of course the personality/attitude of the kids.

I believe that don't happen to all top gep scorers...

[wonderm]

wonderm:

chamonix:

I would say there's a certain extent of truth about luck. Otherwise, how does one explain why some kids who have been tested gifted (IQ test or Mensa) failed to make it past the second round? ok, better :siam: now.

Can be easily explained, most who passed first round of test but not the second round, are just not as gifted (in the aspects tested) as those who passed both rounds. Both my boys belong to this group.

There is always element of luck in any exam, but I think to be fair, most who qualifed for GEP are just simply smarter than those who don't.

Sorry chamonix, think I have mis-read your earlier message. You were asking about those tested gifted by IQ test or Mensa, yet not make it past the second round. I am not sure how many of such cases, should be the exception and small in number?

[comfy]

vlim:

comfy:

[quote=\"vlim\"]
Well it is hard to say .. Those who always get top in class from p1-3 and got into gep, might end up to be an average students in gep whereas those tt got lower position then him from p1-3 and got into gep might out shine him instead as Ge program will make the truly gifted ones stand out ..

From my oberservation in my dd's class, those who perform very well or reasonably well have tuition/enrichment lessons in all 3 subjects (esp in the very popular & expensive one :evil: ). So far, those who required to attend remedial lessons have bascially no tuition in that subject. Hence wise parents here, you can draw your own conclusion. All are bright children but result can differ much depending on external 'help' & of course the personality/attitude of the kids.

I believe that don't happen to all top gep scorers...[/quote]Well, it is will be interesting to watch who are the top gep scorers in 2013. If it happen to be my dd's classmates (those who I know of), then it will be true for these top scorers.

[Pen88n]

vlim:

comfy:

[quote=\"vlim\"]
Well it is hard to say .. Those who always get top in class from p1-3 and got into gep, might end up to be an average students in gep whereas those tt got lower position then him from p1-3 and got into gep might out shine him instead as Ge program will make the truly gifted ones stand out ..

From my oberservation in my dd's class, those who perform very well or reasonably well have tuition/enrichment lessons in all 3 subjects (esp in the very popular & expensive one :evil: ). So far, those who required to attend remedial lessons have bascially no tuition in that subject. Hence wise parents here, you can draw your own conclusion. All are bright children but result can differ much depending on external 'help' & of course the personality/attitude of the kids.

I believe that don't happen to all top gep scorers...[/quote]I think tuition culture it is more prevalent in some schools than others. Understand from frens the Bukit Timah schools have more GEPpers attending the very popular expensive tuition....better :siam: before I kena :spank: :pokeeye: :heresmyfish:

[jtoh]

Pen88n:

I think tuition culture it is more prevalent in some schools than others. Understand from frens the Bukit Timah schools have more GEPpers attending the very popular expensive tuition....better :siam: before I kena :spank: :pokeeye: :heresmyfish:

Well the super expensive tuition centre is very near the Bukit Timah centres so it's not surprising that you would see more of these students there. Just as you would see a congruence of other non-GEP Bukit Timah schools there plus mainstream students from the GEP schools.

[Herbie]

i know of geppers who are scoring high 80 and 90 still gg for tuition…