IP failures...has MOE been transparent?
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alng:
OT a bit. It's true about the Rafflesians dominating NUS Law. I did a progamme there a while ago and observed that in the first year undergraduate classes, most of the kids already knew one another. There were soooooo many from the Raffles family. In fact, in some TGs, I could count on one hand the number of those not from RI...
I heard that many students in the NUS Law school are from RI such that there are two groups of students there - the Rafflesians and non-Rafflesians. -
Edureach:
So many just think of nothing else but IP?
Here are the advantages of those who qualify for IP but choose 0-level route instead:
1. Increasingly, its easier to excel in 0-level due to decreasing no of high quality 0-level candiates especially in the nxt couple of yrs onwards.
2. Choice to opt to polys on scholarships if they can find a course that interest them and move on to unis from here. This will also position them well for the work place in future.
3. Opportunity to embark on a matriculation programme overseas in a good uni's preparation course vs- a-vs those on IP programme.
4. An excellent 0-level cert is well-recognised internationally whereas those who are unable to complete their IP hve nothing to show.
5. Even if unable to get a place in 1st tier jcs, still can proceed to top 2nd tier jcs as the latter also hve high proportion of students making it to local unis ie 85-90%.
A check with PSC and u will find there are a fair no of them winning OMS, SAFOS and even President scholarship. So opportunities abound, really doesn't matter whether studying in IP or non IP, RI/HCI.
Agreed with jtoh that parents must be sure that their kids can excel in IP before embarking upon it.
Haahhh???? How to be sure that your kids can excel in IP? What are the criteria that the child must have? My dd got 252 +2. I actually put St Nick as first choice. Now after reading the forum, looks like it is very tough to get into the first tier JC thru 'O' level. Thinking of appealing to RV though we nvr put RV as any of our 6 choices. But looks like chances of success in the appeal seems very slim.....haizzzz..... -
PSC 2011 Scholars
Raffles Insitution (JC) - 35 scholars
Hwa Chong Institution (JC) - 18 scholars
Victoria Junior College - 4 scholars
Anglo-Chinese Junior College - 1 scholar
Anglo-Chinese School (Independent) - 4 scholars
Jurong Junior College - 1 scholar
Dunman High - 5 scholars
River Valley High - 1 scholar
National Junior College - 1 scholar
Source:
http://www.pscscholarships.gov.sg/NR/rdonlyres/D00B408E-7E00-46D9-BF05-EB62E48FAA1A/0/ListofScholars2011.pdf
Note that very few of the RI, HCI scholars hail from other secondary schools than RI, HCI, RGS, Nanyang.
Clearly, from these numbers, we can conclude that those who can make it into the top 4 schools are FAR more likely to get PSC scholarships. How much that is due to the opportunities provided by the school... and how much due to the fact that we are dealing with top brains who would get scholarships EVEN IF made to go to other JCs, is an open question.
In my personal opinion, opting for IP is dangerous for the bottom 25% of the intake into RI, HCI, Nanyang and RGS. These students (IF they were not self-motivated in PSLE, and were DRIVEN to succeed by parental pressure) would benefit from taking 'O' levels. The 'O' levels is a useful preliminary milestone that teaches some important lessons about life (diligence and self-drive) and exam/study techniques. These lessons will be useful when tackling the 'A' levels.
At the end of the day, 'A' levels is the ticket to university.
Those who were self-motivated at PSLE but received poor teaching at PSLE, and still made it to these top 4 schools, will thrive in IP because independent learning is key. With a bit of effort, they can manage the last minute dash towards competence in exam skills and study techniques. Those who scored in the top 25% the PSLE t-score for entrance into these schools MAY have the innate intelligence to pick up these techniques fast even if they goof off much of the time. As for the middle, it could swing either way.
I would have appreciated that my DD take 'O' levels. This would have prevented a fair amount of last minute scrambling for study and exam techniques to cope with the 'A' levels. For DS, if he cannot make a comfortable cut-off into RI/HCI, then I would seriously consider the 'O' level route if only to maximise his chances of acing the 'A' levels. -
Chenonceau:
Basically translates to 50% RI(JC), 25% HCI and 25% rest of the JCs. Someone told me this % scenario is roughly same for recruitment into NUS medicine faculty. How about Law faculty? Maybe the same. If so, hey got trend leh. Unsaid rule of allocation.PSC 2011 Scholars
Raffles Insitution (JC) - 35 scholars
Hwa Chong Institution (JC) - 18 scholars
Victoria Junior College - 4 scholars
Anglo-Chinese Junior College - 1 scholar
Anglo-Chinese School (Independent) - 4 scholars
Jurong Junior College - 1 scholar
Dunman High - 5 scholars
River Valley High - 1 scholar
National Junior College - 1 scholar -
Does anyone has a copy of the article?
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Snow Crystal:
tks for info
Basically translates to 50% RI(JC), 25% HCI and 25% rest of the JCs. Someone told me this % scenario is roughly same for recruitment into NUS medicine faculty. How about Law faculty? Maybe the same. If so, hey got trend leh. Unsaid rule of allocation.Chenonceau:
PSC 2011 Scholars
Raffles Insitution (JC) - 35 scholars
Hwa Chong Institution (JC) - 18 scholars
Victoria Junior College - 4 scholars
Anglo-Chinese Junior College - 1 scholar
Anglo-Chinese School (Independent) - 4 scholars
Jurong Junior College - 1 scholar
Dunman High - 5 scholars
River Valley High - 1 scholar
National Junior College - 1 scholar -
I am a student currently in NTU & from the IP students I know, most of them do well = get into university & a course they were aiming for. In the academic sphere, I would say the IP is doing pretty well, maybe even better than those who took the O lvls.
However, the main problem of the IP is the segregation it creates.
In RI, the IP students have alr been in sch for 4 years, & everyone knows everybody when they get promoted to JC. This creates a 2 groups, mainly the IP and the mainstream (those who got into RJ by O lvl results).
I have friends who got in RJ thru O lvls, and they said life was bad especially in the first few weeks. Why? People like to stick together, and when you know your friends for 4 years, it is pretty unlikely that they will include a total stranger & outsider into their group.
Having said that, it is also the responsibility of the mainstream students (those who got in thru O lvl results), to try to mix with the IP students.
In short, the IP creates some sort of an exclusive group especially within schools like RI, where they continue all the way from sec 1/sec3 to JC2. I’m not saying RI is the only school like that, but I’m merely using RI as an example.
Such exclusiveness happens in schools like NJC as well. And believe me, more funds are allocated to the IP programme than to the mainstream. So it is impossible, if not unthinkable, for an IP student to NOT do well when their sch is literally pouring so many resources on them.
Because of the unequal allocation of funds, the IP students DO INDEED get a better programme, and they get a rather interesting curriculum. The normal O lvl track cannot even be compared to their curriculum.
There definitely are cases where students drop out of the IP. But the reason is usually because they are not self-motivated enough, or maybe they have certain personal problems like family, etc, we don’t know.
But even then, every programme has its pros and cons, and it is up to the policy makers to tweak it either for the better, or for the worse. -
Edureach:
I agree with you, Edureach. But, What do you think if one is able to embark on the IP route but she is at the bottom of the group? For i.e, the sch take in 20 students for IP, and she is the 17th.So many just think of nothing else but IP?
Here are the advantages of those who qualify for IP but choose 0-level route instead:
1. Increasingly, its easier to excel in 0-level due to decreasing no of high quality 0-level candiates especially in the nxt couple of yrs onwards.
2. Choice to opt to polys on scholarships if they can find a course that interest them and move on to unis from here. This will also position them well for the work place in future.
3. Opportunity to embark on a matriculation programme overseas in a good uni's preparation course vs- a-vs those on IP programme.
4. An excellent 0-level cert is well-recognised internationally whereas those who are unable to complete their IP hve nothing to show.
5. Even if unable to get a place in 1st tier jcs, still can proceed to top 2nd tier jcs as the latter also hve high proportion of students making it to local unis ie 85-90%.
A check with PSC and u will find there are a fair no of them winning OMS, SAFOS and even President scholarship. So opportunities abound, really doesn't matter whether studying in IP or non IP, RI/HCI.
Agreed with jtoh that parents must be sure that their kids can excel in IP before embarking upon it.
Do you reccommend her to join IP? -
Chenonceau:
Just wondering: is there is a significant difference in A Level cohort size of the schs / JCs? Shouldn't this be taken into consideration as well?PSC 2011 Scholars
Raffles Insitution (JC) - 35 scholars
Hwa Chong Institution (JC) - 18 scholars
Victoria Junior College - 4 scholars
Anglo-Chinese Junior College - 1 scholar
Anglo-Chinese School (Independent) - 4 scholars
Jurong Junior College - 1 scholar
Dunman High - 5 scholars
River Valley High - 1 scholar
National Junior College - 1 scholar
Source:
http://www.pscscholarships.gov.sg/NR/rdonlyres/D00B408E-7E00-46D9-BF05-EB62E48FAA1A/0/ListofScholars2011.pdf
Note that very few of the RI, HCI scholars hail from other secondary schools than RI, HCI, RGS, Nanyang.
Clearly, from these numbers, we can conclude that those who can make it into the top 4 schools are FAR more likely to get PSC scholarships. How much that is due to the opportunities provided by the school... and how much due to the fact that we are dealing with top brains who would get scholarships EVEN IF made to go to other JCs, is an open question.
In my personal opinion, opting for IP is dangerous for the bottom 25% of the intake into RI, HCI, Nanyang and RGS. These students (IF they were not self-motivated in PSLE, and were DRIVEN to succeed by parental pressure) would benefit from taking 'O' levels. The 'O' levels is a useful preliminary milestone that teaches some important lessons about life (diligence and self-drive) and exam/study techniques. These lessons will be useful when tackling the 'A' levels.
At the end of the day, 'A' levels is the ticket to university.
Those who were self-motivated at PSLE but received poor teaching at PSLE, and still made it to these top 4 schools, will thrive in IP because independent learning is key. With a bit of effort, they can manage the last minute dash towards competence in exam skills and study techniques. Those who scored in the top 25% the PSLE t-score for entrance into these schools MAY have the innate intelligence to pick up these techniques fast even if they goof off much of the time. As for the middle, it could swing either way.
I would have appreciated that my DD take 'O' levels. This would have prevented a fair amount of last minute scrambling for study and exam techniques to cope with the 'A' levels. For DS, if he cannot make a comfortable cut-off into RI/HCI, then I would seriously consider the 'O' level route if only to maximise his chances of acing the 'A' levels.
Sorry, I really do not know what is the cohort size of each of these schs / JCs, but maybe someone can provide an estimate to give a clearer picture of the achievement of the sch / JCs rather than depending on raw numbers alone. No doubt RIJC / HCJC may still be leading the pack overall....... -
Unless RJC has 35 times the cohort of NJC (which is unlikely), there is still over/under-representation?
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