DSA Appeal 2011
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PiggyLalala:
It is hard for the child. It is. :snuggles: :snuggles: But in life, Grandparents die... beloved Helpers leave to go home... dogs get run over... favorite toys get lost. Not the end of the road.
Fully agree. Most parents would agree with the above but not many children will have the wisdom and maturity to understand this or they understand but they still think that friends are more important.Chenonceau:
PERSONAL INTEREST
The experience of really top talent in a non-top school is that Teachers and Principals bend over backwards for you to make sure you get the opportunities to pip students from RI and HCI. Such individualized coaching and attention will be hard to get when you're part of the masses in RI/HCI. One criticism I heard of a certain top school is that unless you're at the top, you pretty much just exist whilst others get to do fun stuff.
It MIGHT be a good thing to be in a 2nd choice school with access to the same opportunities but more attention from the Teachers and Principals who see in you the hope for glory. Surely, your 2nd choice school isn't a bad school?
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Chenonceau:
I know a school Principal whose DS could make the RI cut off. He went instead to a no name JC who gave him SO MANY opportunities to shine that he went on to get an EDB scholarship and is now in Harvard. I was shocked at her unconventional decision. The Principal explained that her son might get lost in RI amongst all the smarties as smart as him or smarter... and she made a decision to put him in No Name JC instead.
:rahrah: I fully agree with this! One of my boys would too!phankao:
[quote=\"Chenonceau\"]
It MIGHT be a good thing to be in a 2nd choice school with access to the same opportunities but more attention from the Teachers and Principals who see in you the hope for glory.
This was the decision of someone who knows the system from inside.
A place in Harvard is almost impossible to get. Only TWO Singaporeans every year get picked. So hey... RI is not the end of the road... and it isn't even the best means to get to the end of the road depending on where your end happens to be. Harvard doesn't give 2 hoots that you're from RI. They get valedictorians from top US institutions applying. They dunno the various rankings of our JCs, and they dun care. They wanna see what your child has done. For that, your child needs the opportunities that they're more likely to get when they stand out amongst the crowd.[/quote]
Very well written and excellent sharing!
:thankyou:
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samontheway:
I double checked the moe website on dsa: http://www.moe.gov.sg/education/admissions/dsa-sec/
no info like \"unallowed appeal\" at all. It just mentioned that the dsaer cannot participate S1.
Since some friends here talks alot about \"immoral, disloyal or unfair\", what about S1 appeal? any difference between them in terms of immoral or disloyalty or unfairness? sorry, no offence to the S1 appealers who are already successful. congrat! I wish i was one of you.
As to the unallowed appeal to DSA, no school released this info during my visits to any of their open-houses; even for NYGH,(1 English auditorium and 1 Chinese auditorium), i took the first session of Chinese one but i was not informed. but somebody said both HCI and NYGH did so, i am wondering \"is his or her kid girl or boy\"? why did this guy took part in the said two school?
You talking about me huh? Sorry for the late reply, have not check KSP for a few days. Fyi, my son did not take part in both schools, he is not qualify for NYGH.
HCI orgainised a parent symposium for all WL and CO students on 22 Oct, a few days before the P6 students exercise their DSA offers. HCI invited two speakers, parents whose sons are currently in HCI, to share with us how did their sons cope in HCI. One of the parent was Mdm Heng, P of NYGH. It was during this informative and well organised symposium that both the P from NYGH and HCI informed us of the MOE's directive. They reminded us that the DSA exercise is an opportunity for us to teach our children on moral value - honour their commitment! I was grateful that HCI made an effort to organise the symposium and am glad that I attended it.
My personal opinion is if RI 不吊起来卖 and organise such useful and informative talk/symposium for parents, like what HCI did, all this DSA appealing (between RI and HCI) will not happen. Aiyo, this forum is flooded with RI supporters, I better :siam:
Sometime I wonder is it the child who feel sad that they cannot get into their dream schools or is it the parents who feel 没面子? -
Snow Crystal:
Of course there are exceptions to the DSA appeal and I had made a general comment initially.Having one hand in each cookie jar is wrong but what if in this scenario; MY Ds told me his friend chose ACS(I) through DSA.He got in but now regrets.Only when he went for the registration that he was told that there will be Bible studies half an hour every day. The fact is this kid is not a Christian and he detests it-frantically searching for another school to take him in. In this scenario-it was an honest mistake to accept CO and I think he has every right to appeal to another school on religious grounds.His fundamental rights on freedom of religion had been infringed because the school did not reveal that compulsory bible studies was part of the program. So I do agree in this situation that an appeal to transfer to another school should be granted by all means as provided for in the childs basic constitutional right.I also do understand non-Christians with very low T-scores (206)are accepted in to ACSI and some Christians with higher scores are rejected.Its obvious even to the dumb what the agenda is! So the crap of casting the first stone is just rubbish, rhetoric of the stone age to hide dubious motives.If those who have similar issues as the above Kid has a valid reason and it should be supported but not otherwise. I volunteer my services FOC on grounds of technicality as provided for in the constitution in this scenario. I am certain MOE hates seeing my face and would sort it out before I appear before them.Ha!Ha! :rotflmao:
I have no p6 kid this year. For those with older kids, we know that the schs have been allowing transfers in recent years. That is the fact. Things have panned out differently this year and being a parent with no p6 kid, we do not know what has been told or not told to the DSA CO parents on adhering to CO with no transfer this year. And which parent doesn't know all should try to honor commitments and impart good values to our kids. But when you are in those parent' shoes then it may turn out different feeling and action especially when you see the schools have been ok with such transfers in the past. Please don't make these parents sound like immoral parents. They are like you and me - full of love for their kids. My frens in such situations are not selfish people. Let those who do not sin cast the first stone.Dr.K:
The respective school selects a student and honors its commitment to take in the student irrespective of the T-score ,as long as he/she is qualified for the express stream in PSLE.
For those who want to challenge the MOE after getting better results than expected need to read the rules again and abide by it.
Don't be unreasonable that the whole system need to change because of a few who are practically very shortsighted and dishonorable.Please impart good values to children.Parents were given the opportunity to pull out before the PSLE results.Parents should teach children that when a commitment is made one must see to it is fulfilled. Otherwise it is shifting goalpost to suit oneself when the situation warrants it.Its considered bullying and cheating is it not? A parallel to this type of thinking is what communist leadership does in real life situation-always trying to extend their territories at others cost-not playing by the rules always creating chaos.No offense meant as some may be blurred by the anxiety to provide the best for their children could have erred in their judgement.It could happen to the best of us. :celebrate: -
I know a school Principal whose DS could make the RI cut off. He went instead to a no name JC who gave him SO MANY opportunities to shine that he went on to get an EDB scholarship and is now in Harvard. I was shocked at her unconventional decision. The Principal explained that her son might get lost in RI amongst all the smarties as smart as him or smarter… and she made a decision to put him in No Name JC instead.
This was the decision of someone who knows the system from inside.
A place in Harvard is almost impossible to get. Only TWO Singaporeans every year get picked. So hey… RI is not the end of the road… and it isn’t even the best means to get to the end of the road depending on where your end happens to be. Harvard doesn’t give 2 hoots that you’re from RI. They get valedictorians from top US institutions applying. They dunno the various rankings of our JCs, and they dun care. They wanna see what your child has done. For that, your child needs the opportunities that they’re more likely to get when they stand out amongst the crowd.[/quote]
Exactly BUT in reality Harvard does know RI as the feeder school from Singapore. Putting a bright kid in a no name JC does open up opportunities that otherwise may not be available. -
indeed what the P did to his DS was a strategic move that open doors of opportunity , very smart move….. admirable :rahrah: heard also a VP whose DS was in TKS and got to no-name JC in Tampines…. so many opportunities to excel in that no-name JC that his DS got scholarship given my MOE to Yale…. another case of a insider that knows the system well…... :grphug:
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Dr.K:
They should receive enough applications to know the name RI, yes. But whether they KNOW know in the way Singaporeans know... whether they have the same starry eyed gaze when the name RI is mentioned... whether they have the same emotional attraction to RI that born and bred Singaporeans have... is another issue.
Exactly BUT in reality Harvard does know RI as the feeder school from Singapore. Putting a bright kid in a no name JC does open up opportunities that otherwise may not be available.
Judging from the various incidences where schools like Stanford, Yale and Harvard pick non-RI over RI students, I don't think these places KNOW what the name RI really means, in the way Singaporeans know it to mean. Since they dunno, they have no bias and really will be looking at what your child has done. Of course, the Ivy Leagues do pick students from RI, but really the very top who got all the yummy opportunities RI had to give out. -
Dr.K:
Let me correct an untruth here.
MY Ds told me his friend chose ACS(I) through DSA.He got in but now regrets.Only when he went for the registration that he was told that there will be Bible studies half an hour every day. The fact is this kid is not a Christian and he detests it-frantically searching for another school to take him in. In this scenario-it was an honest mistake to accept CO and I think he has every right to appeal to another school on religious grounds.His fundamental rights on freedom of religion had been infringed because the school did not reveal that compulsory bible studies was part of the program. So I do agree in this situation that an appeal to transfer to another school should be granted by all means as provided for in the childs basic constitutional right.I also do understand non-Christians with very low T-scores (206)are accepted in to ACSI and some Christians with higher scores are rejected.Its obvious even to the dumb what the agenda is! So the crap of casting the first stone is just rubbish, rhetoric of the stone age to hide dubious motives.If those who have similar issues as the above Kid has a valid reason and it should be supported but not otherwise. I volunteer my services FOC on grounds of technicality as provided for in the constitution in this scenario. I am certain MOE hates seeing my face and would sort it out before I appear before them.Ha!Ha! :rotflmao:
Bible studies are not part of the curriculum. There is devotion time every morning, where the principal reads some announcements during assembly and quotes a passage from the bible. Hardly bible study if you ask me. A short prayer will be said, hardly lasting a minute. Non-christians can choose not to close their eyes and let their minds wander.
Let's not go too far and talk about infringing on one's constitutional right. There are many non-christians in mission schools so not being comfortable and detesting (too strong a word in my opinion) may not be a valid reason here. -
I fully agree that Sometime it may be good being a big fish in a small pond. There are so many cases that I have came across. One girl who has aggregate score of 27x went to the top girl and she lost motivation among all the smarties. She told her mum that there are already enough bright sparks in the school so she does not need to be one. She just drift along. Not saying she is doing badly but the motivation to do bettter is gone!
My son’s classmate who transferred from a top tier school to his current school consistently top in the cohort and receives scholarship every year. Spoke to his mum about the decision she made for her son, she cited the exact same reason as the school principle aboved. The son is much happier, less stressful and full of confidence. Hence, it might not be a total loss of not getting into a top tier school. -
Places like Harvard, Stanford and Yale are not used to a system where all the top brains are put together and taught together. This is because the USA is so big that geographic distances prevent this from happening. This means that for such schools, top talent is class valedictorian + a portfolio of interesting activities. It is far easier to become class valedictorian in a non-RI school… and it is far easier to collate and interesting portfolio in a non-RI school.
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