Parents, not enrichment centres, are key to result
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Chenonceau:
It's not in the syllabus NOW. That's for sure. The model method is supposed to be a pre-algebra method. When I first saw the model method, I didn't understand it at all and I remembered asking why don't they just use simultaneous equations like they used to. I'm quite sure we did learn it in P6 during our time. The original solution provided was the way I was taught...am I so old that none of you had the same textbooks??!!They dun even teach them now... I dun think? But now I am REALLY confused. Do they teach or not? :? My DS for sure didn't learn in school pure form and complex simultaneous. More important question for me is... Do they need it or not?
Some people say no need... some people say need. Aiya... since DS can cope, learn more better than learn less!!!!!
:idea: I'll ask FIL when I see him. He's been teaching for decades, he might remember. -
I remember doing simultaneous equations in primary school. And I remember during that time we have to write our workings in sentences using words like because, therefore, if, assuming, etc.
Until now I can solve sums using algebra and simultaneous equations but cannot make heads nor tails of that model thingy. -
Funz:
Yes! Yes!! Exactly!! It wasn't hard at all! It was so logical and fast. But the model thing.....just seems like jumping through a lot of hoops for dunno what.I remember doing simultaneous equations in primary school. And I remember during that time we have to write our workings in sentences using words like because, therefore, if, assuming, etc.
Until now I can solve sums using algebra and simultaneous equations but cannot make heads nor tails of that model thingy.
insider, u know how to make a gal feel better.
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deminc:
it always feels good when \"inside\"..isn't it? :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:
insider, u know how to make a gal feel better.
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limlim:
:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
it always feels good when \"inside\"..isn't it? :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:deminc:
insider, u know how to make a gal feel better.
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insider:
Actually, we probably feel algebra and simultaneous equations are easier because those were the only stuff we were taught and familiar with. We will instinctly fall back on them to solve problems with several unknowns. Like everyone else, I was v resistant to this model thingy. But having had to re-learn all these (first during uni days when I tutor some kids), I realise that there is a beauty and logic to it - which I could never appreciate using algebra. (Algebra was great esp for humanities gal like me who hates Math and it gave me an easy formula to apply and solve problems. I could never explain the logic of it and didn't care much either.) I find this method much better for children who can visualise much better and lays a strong foundation for understanding of math concepts. With the model method, kids are 'forced' to understand the rationale and concepts.Deminc
Funz,
My first experience with models was about 17 years ago when my current 25 years old nephew was around his P2 (exactly when it was implemented was unknown). Having hard time understanding it at that time too but now it's like a breeze...(for kids' level, I feel easier for them to understand than simultaneous equations).
Even for my DS at P1 - I found it highly interesting that addition and subtraction are taught as 'mirror image' of each other. Later on, this same 'mirror image' concept is applied to multiplication and division. In my time, we were taught addition and subtraction as discrete concepts and basically kids memorised the sum of various sets of numbers for the purpose of exams. Now, kids are taught number bonds - various sets of numbers can add up to the same number.
I have read in forums of Americans who home school their kids using a set of books called SingaporeMath (i haven't found out what that is) and who praise the innovative ways math concepts are presented. The 'mirror image' of addition and subtraction was something they highlighted and that made me realise what was different between addition and subtraction now and during my school days. (Instinctly, I could tell things had changed but couldnt quite put my finger to it.)
I an reading a book published by MOE on the rationale behind the implementation of the model method in Math here and it is quite insightful. The annoying thing is...for parents to coach kids these days...it feels like going back to school all over again. -
:hi5: to all of you here....Me 5!
Initially I was very annoyed with model diagrams too but I think it is a necessary evil after I picked it up myself. It is indeed a way to present algebra pictorially and would be easy for EVERYONE to learn. I think most of us here took to algebra easily when we were young, perhaps we played more then...
As for learning simultaneous equations, I remember clearly during my time, not sure same as which one of you, we had an introduction to algebra at P6, i.e. we learned about using alphabets as variables to solve problems. However for simultaneous equations, it was in lower secondary that I was exposed to it. My time was 'mata wear shorts' day so I believed syllabus could have changed to bring S.E learning to upper primary later on. -
I think the topic has shift to learning Math instead.
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Mychildren:
I think the topic has shift to learning Math instead.
I suppose when we discuss the learning of one subject in detail then we know where we are heading and why we do what we are doing. General discussions sometimes get us a bit fuzzy.
Oh we can move on to learning compo writing and why everyone needs help in it...
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Musings:
Totally agree.
Actually, we probably feel algebra and simultaneous equations are easier because those were the only stuff we were taught and familiar with. We will instinctly fall back on them to solve problems with several unknowns. Like everyone else, I was v resistant to this model thingy. But having had to re-learn all these (first during uni days when I tutor some kids), I realise that there is a beauty and logic to it - which I could never appreciate using algebra. (Algebra was great esp for humanities gal like me who hates Math and it gave me an easy formula to apply and solve problems. I could never explain the logic of it and didn't care much either.) I find this method much better for children who can visualise much better and lays a strong foundation for understanding of math concepts. With the model method, kids are 'forced' to understand the rationale and concepts.insider:
Deminc
Funz,
My first experience with models was about 17 years ago when my current 25 years old nephew was around his P2 (exactly when it was implemented was unknown). Having hard time understanding it at that time too but now it's like a breeze...(for kids' level, I feel easier for them to understand than simultaneous equations).
Even for my DS at P1 - I found it highly interesting that addition and subtraction are taught as 'mirror image' of each other. Later on, this same 'mirror image' concept is applied to multiplication and division. In my time, we were taught addition and subtraction as discrete concepts and basically kids memorised the sum of various sets of numbers for the purpose of exams. Now, kids are taught number bonds - various sets of numbers can add up to the same number.
I have read in forums of Americans who home school their kids using a set of books called SingaporeMath (i haven't found out what that is) and who praise the innovative ways math concepts are presented. The 'mirror image' of addition and subtraction was something they highlighted and that made me realise what was different between addition and subtraction now and during my school days. (Instinctly, I could tell things had changed but couldnt quite put my finger to it.)
I an reading a book published by MOE on the rationale behind the implementation of the model method in Math here and it is quite insightful. The annoying thing is...for parents to coach kids these days...it feels like going back to school all over again.
when I saw the part part whole concept , i was thinking why was this not taught to us, i had to decipher it along the way . Same for model approach, the beauty to it is understanding the problem, its a picture that says a thousand words (ok a few steps :roll: ) .
Not that I am good at it. I still fall back to algebra to work questions out but that just because my brain has been conditioned to form equations even while reading the question , ok let this be x, so x is ...instead of visualising what the problem is.
One complaint that i hear from friends is while model approach is insisted till PSLE, in sec school one is forbidden to use algebra. Just when you have mastered model. Such a waste, they feel.
IMO, definitely not. The ability to visualise a problem , understand the rough boundaries is very important.
A simplistic example is like say the question is 288+345 = ?
Child A gives the ans: 623
Child B gives the ans: 527
Both the answers are incorrect, both have made an error in adding the carry over. In my book, child B has failed to check the rough boundaries so he is more wrong than child A
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