Net rumour that Yaw Shin Leong having extra-maritial affair
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Way2GO:
Since u have rumor(s) on some unnamed individual, why not start a forum on this and u may find me there..?
How many ppl Yaw So Lascivious sleep with is not my business.Vote PAP:
Are u than taking a nonchalant stand on this? The way I see it is tt, as an MP, confronted with an allegation of adultery, it's important for him or her to deny rigorously or admit & apologize, than accept the consequences, whatever it may be...
In short, it's important, as leaders to be transparent & accountable where it counts, whether it be political or moral issues; if u believe that u can 'steal' someone else's spouse & get away with it, then there's really nothing to stop u from 'stealing' from the people...right.. Think abt it....
I wld be concerned if he exhibits a pattern of behaviour dat will affect his role/responsibilities as a functioning MP or his affairs result in actual or potential conflict of interest.
r u asking him to be transparent to u about his private affairs,
n be accountable to d public for wat's allegedly done dat is not illegal?
u said u will also ask for a full disclosure if it happens to a PAP MP.
I give u another one to chew on:
Dis MP, since retired as Minister, a Christian, had an affair with his subordinate fr one of d big supermarket chain. She even got promoted. I wld see dat as a possible conflict of interest. Did u hear a public airing of dis affair? There wasn't. Dat's politics. -
HVR:
Though YSL and WP are still saying 'no comment', I think we have enough factual information to read between the lines regarding the alleged EMA. I am not comfortable and I cannot trust politicians who are morally unsound, never mind he/she is criminally clean. They are in a position to shape policies and it has significant bearing on how our country will progress. We expect them to be of higher standard and rightly so. ANY politician who involved in EMA should just step down. They can have EMA for all they want in their private life. They are answerable to their conscience, their family but nothing to do with constituents. Once they enter politic, they have to be able to stand on moral high ground. No such thing as clear demarcation of public life and private life. It's not possible. I have a feeling we are so forgiving toward EMA because a lot of us are guilty of it. It's very sad.
Well said. I share same sentiments... -
Aiyah, why bother about each forumer’s comments? Don’t care lah. Login and write what you want to say and logout. Yahoo and Stomp forumers are fiercer compare to this forum.
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Way2GO:
If this EMA happened in a private setting involving only private citizens, then we wld not even here of it. We shd not be naive, this involves an elected leader. If I vote in someone to parliament, I'd like to know that, apart from doing a good job, he/she must be honest & trustworthy too. These are just basic criterias of what is required. U mentioned conflict of interest or lack thereof. If your married friend sleeps with your spouse, is that a welcomed event or a conflict of interest?? Something for us all to think about... Is there a conflict of interest here, or just fiction of conflict? No conflict because it's not your spouse tt he is having EMA with? When will u draw the line?
ur points r valid n apply appropriately to private citizens.justcoping:
Wow! This discussion has spanned so many pages. Decided finally to speak up: my stand is that engaging in EMA is wrong and should not be condoned. It tells of the integrity of a person -- one who can retract his or her words, annul promises made...
A marriage vow is a contractual agreement between 2. If one party defaults due to EMA, it's unacceptable and what's worse in this case, there is no acknowledgement of fault and no apologies rendered --> meaning no sense of remorse on the guilty party.
Many may try to speak up and say that the rumours are untrue and not proven but I feel that the very fact that the person involved has not dispelled it, points to the reality of what has happened.
It does not matter which political party the person comes from or even if that person is involved in politics or not... my viewpoint and stand remains.
Politics is a different animal.
I m not condoning YSL's sexual trysts, esp impregnating a married woman, if true.
However, I opined dat private matters r for them to resolve n reconcile privately.
How is a public airing of their sexual trysts going to help d families involved?
Its a different matter when conflict of interest arises fr these affairs.
u can be sure dat CPIB will step in n then it becomes a matter of public interest. -
Vote PAP:
u baiting me?
Since u have rumor(s) on some unnamed individual, why not start a forum on this and u may find me there..?
U said u wld seek full disclosure if an MP has strayed morally,
regardless which side of d fence he/she is on.
So I gave u two leads.
These two chaps r still ard n d incidents r not too far back in history
dat u can’t verify with d right sources if u know them n they care to divulge to u.
Not going to pursue?
Then let's not talk about objectivity, shall we?
ps I see no good purpose in starting a topic on those two.
I know who they r. -
Mdm Koh:
Mdm Koh, the day the case of YSL emerged was the day you stop hearing about the top civil servant's case. And you can bet this case of YSL will go on as long as it could be stretched.
I am now more concerned about the case of the top civil servants' corruption, which has actually happened. There hasn't been any news in a week?
In the opinion of whether MPs having EMA is acceptable, it is a moral question so to me, it is pure black or white, which is no, it is not an acceptable behavior to me regardless of who does it. To me, it is more on how the 'rumor' has been carried this far by msm, making it sound like a paparazzi story. The pressure from the msm to make the leaders of WP to make a statement on this is the same as the kind of pressure star celebrities are being pressured to give a conclusion.
I was going through some back copies of the new paper and not surprisingly, came to the chinese section of local news. (And I bet you most of the time this page is in Chinese and will include nice articles about MIW) And on the left, you see the title \"深受议员们欢迎的议员” （which contains, of course, a MIW) and on the right, is the 绯闻 of YSL, that reads \"传饶欣龙被迫辞职“ 。
I just want to throw out a few questions to readers of this thread, questions that I have been pondering over:
1) Would it have made any difference to you if the rumor stayed only within TRE, or say, online, and had not gone on to the local papers (msm)?
2) Would it have made any difference to you if, the case really did happened, it happened before YSL became MP?
3) Would it have made any difference to you if it is proven that one of the ministers, of some X ministers also has had EMA?
4) Are you going to stop pushing for transparency in government policies from now on because of this?
To me, this case has gone beyond moral standing. It is a political issue, magnified and intensified for the sake of winning votes. -
concern2,
Good questions to ponder.
It was a political issue fr day one,
but some chose to get stuck with only d moral right or wrong question. -
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2. d conflict of interest dat I m referring to is dis:
A public figure who abuses his position to enrich himself/herself, obtaining benefits in kind in exchange for favours etc.
There is no evidence of conflict of interest in YSL’s case so far, otherwise just a complaint wld hv him hauled up by CPIB for questioning.
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Well, how do you know that if there is no revelation on this and YSL is given more powers in future, he would not be lured with a "woman bait" in exchange for favours? If that really happens, then the conflict of interest will come in, and the stakes are going to be greater. So I’m glad that now being an MP only, we see the test of his character and whether he can withstand the temptation (be it of any kind.), and 5 years down the road I’ll use my vote even more carefully for the best candidate (regardless of party).
Don’t forget, alot of people enter politics, charity organisations (think NKF, Ren Ci, Youth Challenge) with very noble intentions. But along the way, greed overtakes and the lure of money and fame is too much for them to take.
As for the ruling party, I take the same stand if any "rumor" generates so much heat like YSL’s case and yet the person involved does not come out to address the allegations. -
Lilac66:
Yes, Lilac66. However, do you seriously think similar 'rumor' from PAP will generate so much heat?
As for the ruling party, I take the same stand if any \"rumor\" generates so much heat like YSL's case and yet the person involved does not come out to address the allegations.
I have derived another reason for high ministerial salary - to have deep pockets to sue before the fire spreads. -
Yes, how about Steven Tan's case (as mentioned in my earlier post), which was circulated online?.
http://forums.sgclub.com/singapore/unionist_paps_steve_344784_2.html
The PAP dropped him like a hot potato in the May elections. Well, maybe you're going to say he's not minister material yet, so he does not have a deep enough pocket to sue. Better back out.
If the argument is going along that line, then I will rest my case, as I see it not going anywhere, not because I'm convinced private matters should be kept private even for public fig.
I still see that morality isssues like that may affect how the public fig functions in future at the expense of the people.
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