PM Lee sends lawyer's letter to editors of TR Emeritus

[concern2]

HVR:

No. Another rumor will start. People will say only one person needs to work to support the whole clan, where to get so much money? Dont know corrupt or not.


In any case, I thought you mentioned in another thread that other countries are different and their 'examples' should not apply to us?

There are many things we do not desire to be like Taiwan (political wise), but Ma has been trying to make things right, and I highly commend his efforts. Making sure his immediate family members are not holding positions that might start any finger-pointing is one of them.

I agree with Insider that Mrs Ma has earned the respect of the people. The deliberate move did win the party many votes.

[HVR]

insider:

HVR:

No. Another rumor will start. People will say only one person needs to work to support the whole clan, where to get so much money? Dont know corrupt or not.


In any case, I thought you mentioned in another thread that other countries are different and their 'examples' should not apply to us?

This Mrs Ma got herself out from 'suspicious' position is a 'universal' model and not 'country-specific' lah; it's similar to those 'sacrifice' that some mums hv to make when deciding to be a SAHM to care for the family or to forego own chance of personal professional upgrading in order to coach the kids. No?

For HC, if she really holds her family (as a supporting wife of LHL in his political career) and Singapore at heart (LHL needs to rid himself of 'rumours' to win most people's hearts) and when she is in a position and putting LHL in a 'qian fu shuo zhi' position, wouldn't you think a woman in such a position may have to rethink about her 'position' as a career woman, wife, and a citizen to make some 'sacrifice'?

If she really retires, who in the right mind will think that her family cannot afford the family's financial needs and have to resort to corruption to fund those needs (if corruption has to happen in single income family, then those regular SAHM how?)

Mrs Ma's case is a good case for wives of politicians to ponder about...

I hope that you are not another 'literal reader' else it will make the exchanges difficult with probable stones flying...

I think I can understand your point. And I think you are sincere, you have no malice intent for citing the article. But don't you think we, as a country, will lose tremendous amount of manpower and talents if all the family members, siblings and relatives of PM should not work just to avoid or preempt 'rumors'?

From an individual point of view, I can't or I shouldn't work because someone related to me is the PM? Where is my right to work? Isn't this itself contradicting and against constitution?

Whether HC work or not, I think it is very easy to start rumors and find fault if we want. My view is that we cannot stop people from starting or perpetuate rumors but we shouldn't cast aspersion when the maligned individual resort to legal recourse to clear his name. When a person take action to clear his name, it shouldn't be taken as suppress the matter. In fact, it's the right thing to do. We, ordinary people will also want to clear our name if our relative talk bad and untruth about us, don't we?

[Nebbermind]

Didn’t follow the whole episode…why was the lawyer acting for the PM when the slander was on HC? She is in a high enough position to act for herself, ya?

[3Boys]

HVR:

But don't you think we, as a country, will lose tremendous amount of manpower and talents if all the family members, siblings and relatives of PM should not work just to avoid or preempt 'rumors'?


From an individual point of view, I can't or I shouldn't work because someone related to me is the PM? Where is my right to work? Isn't this itself contradicting and against constitution?

I agree. Taiwan is a different situation, there have been real overt issues pertaining to cronyism and corruption, and they perhaps feel extreme measures are warranted. I think it'll be a shame to exclude someone from high office on the basis that he/she is related to another influential, just for the sake of keeping up appearances.

[Way2GO]

insider:

This Mrs Ma got herself out from 'suspicious' position is a 'universal' model and not 'country-specific' lah; it's similar to those 'sacrifice' that some mums hv to make when deciding to be a SAHM to care for the family or to forego own chance of personal professional upgrading in order to coach the kids. No?

For HC, if she really holds her family (as a supporting wife of LHL in his political career) and Singapore at heart (LHL needs to rid himself of 'rumours' to win most people's hearts) and when she is in a position and putting LHL in a 'qian fu shuo zhi' position, wouldn't you think a woman in such a position may have to rethink about her 'position' as a career woman, wife, and a citizen to make some 'sacrifice'?

If she really retires, who in the right mind will think that her family cannot afford the family's financial needs and have to resort to corruption to fund those needs (if corruption has to happen in single income family, then those regular SAHM how?)

Mrs Ma's case is a good case for wives of politicians to ponder about...

I hope that you are not another 'literal reader' else it will make the exchanges difficult with probable stones flying...

Well said.
d first order of business in many organizations wld be to avoid putting family members
in positions where there is POTENTIAL conflict of interest.
PM is cognizant of dis when he said he rejected a few times when her appt was broached.
Dhana is also cognizant of dis when he imposed himself in d reporting line bwt PM n HC to get her appointed as ExD.
But Dhana is not going to be between them when they r in bed, right arnot?
I m not suggesting any hanky panky here, but d perception dat it may occur must be removed fr ppl's minds.
PM acceding to Dhana's request cld mean we r really short of talent
or d top echelon of Temasek Holdings is a very sensitive position open only to selected ppl.

[Way2GO]

Nebbermind:

Didn't follow the whole episode....why was the lawyer acting for the PM when the slander was on HC? She is in a high enough position to act for herself, ya?

Davinder Singh, Drew & Napier.
HC is not a lawyer by training.

[Nebbermind]

Way2GO:

But Dhana is not going to be between them when they r in bed, right arnot?.

the thought is like....so nauseating!!!

[Nebbermind]

Way2GO:

Nebbermind:

Didn't follow the whole episode....why was the lawyer acting for the PM when the slander was on HC? She is in a high enough position to act for herself, ya?

Davinder Singh, Drew & Napier.
HC is not a lawyer by training.

No, why lawyer not acting for her....she is...what u call that....actual aggrieved party, ya?

[3Boys]

insider:

Not say that ALL related to influential people cant work in positions lah, esp if those positions are held prior to that person coming into power instead of after.


Taking all other relatives of the Lee holding high offices apart, we talk about HC's role in LHL's political career.

If you were HC, what would you do as a wife? To head TH is a big thing but to aid LHL to continue with a higher voting is a bigger thing in my eyes or they are equally big? I just want to hear from others' point of view on this issue (no right or wrong answer like whether someone wants to be a SAHM coz is a 'grey' area).

Yes, insider, I understand what you mean. But in this case, its not so much about HC being self-sacrificial, but about whether there is a potential loss of a talented individual (whatever what one may think of her ability). I think from the exchange between PM, Dhana (to the extent that it can be believed) seem to have dealt with the perception issue to some degree.

I am on the fence on this one. Private companies can be quite a lot stricter on potential conflicts-of-interest than the g'ment tends to be. Unfortunately for HC, there is almost no job she can do in Singapore that will not to be perceived to have some kind of conflict-of-interest.

[3Boys]

Nebbermind:

Way2GO:

[quote=\"Nebbermind\"]Didn't follow the whole episode....why was the lawyer acting for the PM when the slander was on HC? She is in a high enough position to act for herself, ya?

Davinder Singh, Drew & Napier.
HC is not a lawyer by training.

No, why lawyer not acting for her....she is...what u call that....actual aggrieved party, ya?[/quote]PM is also an aggrieved party, and is the bigger fish in this instance. His reputation is the one that needs protecting.