MOE Relooking P1 registration - Too much priority to alumni
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3Boys:
no. how would the kids benefit? (not in the sense of priority admission.. but educational needs assuming all schools are same).Ok OT.
My previous question on PV. How about I hire a gardener/electrician/piano teacher/sports coach to do the task on my behalf. Will do a better job than I right?
School benefits, kids benefit, I benefit.
Logical?
Building a \"connection\" is different.. nowadays, the schools all talking about parental involvement and teacher-parent connections.... isn't it? That's is one area where PV might come in.. maybe that is their intended outcome but unfortunately it results in \"unfair\" priority to admission as perceived by the parents. -
DesertWind:
Get rid of the grassroot priority. Don't you think it is an abuse by the ruling party to give school priority to volunteers who further its own political cause? I mean regardless of WHO is the ruling party. In future it could be an opposition party. Any ruling party should NOT abuse the system to give priority to its own grassroot people.
agree with this.. the whole chunk of it.. -
jenao:
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Reviewing P1 registration actually contradicts what Mr Heng said about neighbourhood schools are also good. If neighbourhood schools are good too, then why MOE acknowledges the problems with the P1 registration process bought up by parents who obviously do not think that all schools are the same and only want to enrol their kids in a few good school.Daddy
http://www.straitstimes.com/BreakingNews/Singapore/Story/STIStory_770194.html
\"Neighbourhood schools are good too:
As it is, there is no fair way to do this. No matter what MOE does, there will be unfairness even with proximity which will benefit the rich or PR. In fact, I am surprised that they are actually reviewing it. In my opinion, MOE shld not waste their resources reviewing something which cannot be fair, no matter how they tweak it. They shld spend time and resources in reviewing the education system to ensure that all schools get the same resources and bring up the standard of those schools to be on par with the so called good school. Then maybe parents will not place too much emphasis on which school they register in.
30 yrs ago .. student teacher ratio was 40:1
now also 40:1...
resources should be in for a better education..attracting/retaining gd teachers !! -
DesertWind:
Disagree with this.Siblings priority - get rid of this!
Why you give siblings priority for?
If we keep the alumni priority, then ALL your kids can get into the school using the parent's alumni priority. There is hence no need for siblings priority.
Furthermore, is it very important for all siblings to be studying in the same school? Not really right? Same school but different sessions also different mah? Wear hand me downs? No right?
Anyway, to illustrate an example, one friend's kid was in a neighbourhood school but at P3 got into a GEP school, famous brand-name girls school! Then subsequently her younger sister went into P1 using siblings priority. Is it fair? One more place taken away from those who stay nearer to the school. So imagine the cross-migration every-year from GEP students to GEP schools. Their siblings also ride on the coat-tail get into these schools. Fair??
sibling priority has real and practical benefit, to parents and child's needs. -
DesertWind:
agree with this.. whole chunk of it..Clan Associations and religious members priority....is the door too wide-open?
Once upon a time it used to be those missions schools or charitable foundations schools are really set-up and run by the clan associations and of the same religious/charitable orders for their members. Is this still applicable in the current context whereby such schools are already all 'government run'?
I would say if the priority door is opened too wide, get rid of this as well! -
phankao:
before we discuss about whether this is fair or not..
Actually when my 15yo heard about the possibility of this Alumni priority being abolished, he was quite unhappy about it. In my opinion, he didn't inherit it, we balloted for it, he has gained from the primary school, and he has also contributed loads during his time there. So I don't see why alumni priority is not fair? Same goes for my other boys.
Let's set the priorities right..
Which comes first? Best interest in the child's education needs (transport, parental involvement, understanding of schools systems, logistics etc..), or \"Fairness\"?
Again, don't talk abt school ranking etc.. from MOE's pov, all schools are the same. This is the base.. and we work on from there.
If anyone wants to talk abt school ranking.. then.. is there going to be tier A schools.. 1 set of rules..? tier B schools.. another set..?!?!???? If no, they're not going to do this, then, let's talk on the principle that \"All school are the same\".. and determine what is \"in the best interest of the child's education needs\". -
Well.. your mileage may vary..
but from personal experience.. doing P1 reg, there was 2 choices for me, A & B. Went to A, tried to submit application.. but while waiting, was told that all < 1km has to ballot.. that means, for my case 1~2km, no need to try already.. So in the same afternoon, I went to B school which is <1km and submit application.
And, happens that there is no ballot.. so my kid got in.. and 2nd got a place too.
And, I'm really glad that it was B that they're studying now.. coz in terms of logistics and everything.. this works out best for us. can't imagine the nightmare and disaster that might result if it was A that they got in instead........
So.. I fully support the sibling priority and distance priority.. as IMHO, that is really in the best interest of the child's educational needs.. (and parent too..
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2km might not seems much for an adult (perception of distance).. but for a P1~2 kid.. it might appear like Changi to Jurong to them.. :evil: :evil:
It may not make a difference to you.. but in general, distance does hv impact to most. -
DesertWind:
I have 3 kids. My alma mater is a girls' school, so it's out for DS. The school is way too far for my DDs too, so it's out for them too. Dh's school is no longer around.Siblings priority - get rid of this!
Why you give siblings priority for?
If we keep the alumni priority, then ALL your kids can get into the school using the parent's alumni priority. There is hence no need for siblings priority.
Furthermore, is it very important for all siblings to be studying in the same school? Not really right? Same school but different sessions also different mah? Wear hand me downs? No right?
Anyway, to illustrate an example, one friend's kid was in a neighbourhood school but at P3 got into a GEP school, famous brand-name girls school! Then subsequently her younger sister went into P1 using siblings priority. Is it fair? One more place taken away from those who stay nearer to the school. So imagine the cross-migration every-year from GEP students to GEP schools. Their siblings also ride on the coat-tail get into these schools. Fair??
My DD1 is now in a neighbourhood school. If there's no sibling pirority, and if they don't get to be admitted into the same school, I will go mad with logistic issues. I have no helper or car. I cannot split myself into 3 to ensure that my kids are in school on time and pick them up during dismissal. The schools in my area (not including those branded or single gender hor) are single sessions.
I no money to employ helper or get a car hor. -
you can never please everyone.
just be mentally prepared that if 2B and 2C were to get more seats, likely to \"snatch\" from phase 1 and 2A. How else to \"forced\" let go more seats to 2B, 2C ? So there may be cap for phase 1 and 2A, to let go the seats and give to 2B, 2C. Parents inside the 2A group already very angry and pissed off - esp. 2A alumni from the 9 GEP schools ! The hornet's beehive nest for 2A is been disturbed. Is like someone shoot a lighted up burning fire arrow with kerosene into the beehive nest. All the bees swarm out in danger, lost their home. -
I reckon MOE is planning this P1 reg review cos' all schools will go single session in 2016?
Less vacancies... More upset parents...
The earliest batch to be affected could be 2014 reg?
How come MOE never ask parents for feedback?
Or MOE policy makers think they know best?
Then we can only hope for the best!
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