Q&A - P3 Math

[plum-cake]

BigDevil:

Hi plum-cake, this question looks familiar.


Is your child doing a school's past exam paper? Think I came across
this question and I didn't agree with the model answer (5+5+5+5).

Hi Big D
this is not from the pastpaper. Its from her school's revision paper( holiday H/W)
My daughter's ans is 5+5+5+5 mine is the 4+4+4+4+4
she is positive and trying to convince me.....she made me :scared:


Thanks everyone...

[SAHM Chew]

plum-cake:

BigDevil:

Hi plum-cake, this question looks familiar.


Is your child doing a school's past exam paper? Think I came across
this question and I didn't agree with the model answer (5+5+5+5).

Hi Big D
this is not from the pastpaper. Its from her school's revision paper( holiday H/W)
My daughter's ans is 5+5+5+5 mine is the 4+4+4+4+4
she is positive and trying to convince me.....she made me :scared:


Thanks everyone...

Actually, it is quite easy to remember. 5 fours = 5 groups of 4, For model, i will ask my kid to draw 5 plates, follow by 4 apples on each plate. = 4+4+4+4+4
If 5+5+5+5, means 4 plates with 5 apples on each plate. = 4 fives. Both will still have 20 apples altogether, but for this kind of questions, i think the main purpose is to know whether the kid understand the concept.

[plum-cake]

SAHM Chew:

Actually, it is quite easy to remember. 5 fours = 5 groups of 4, For model, i will ask my kid to draw 5 plates, follow by 4 apples on each plate. = 4+4+4+4+4
If 5+5+5+5, means 4 plates with 5 apples on each plate. = 4 fives. Both will still have 20 apples altogether, but for this kind of questions, i think the main purpose is to know whether the kid understand the concept.

true,
Thank you SAHM Chew

[buds]

HAPPYH:

buds:

Bro... isn't that supposed to be 4fives? :?


5 fours; should be 5 (times) of the number four.
Or like SAHM Chew said... 5 groups of four.

DD2 used to always get this mixed up.
Kinda a waste of 2-marks questions i say. :roll:

It should be 5 groups of 4 like SAHM said.

Yes I know.

Some children may not grasp concepts easily for example in this case, not all children can relate to the term \"groups\" easily. We can always explain in other alternative ways as long as they can understand and in future able to independently relate/apply to other similarly set questions.

[HAPPYH]

buds:

HAPPYH:

[quote=\"buds\"]Bro... isn't that supposed to be 4fives? :?


5 fours; should be 5 (times) of the number four.
Or like SAHM Chew said... 5 groups of four.

DD2 used to always get this mixed up.
Kinda a waste of 2-marks questions i say. :roll:

It should be 5 groups of 4 like SAHM said.

Yes I know.

Some children may not grasp concepts easily for example in this case, not all children can relate to the term \"groups\" easily. We can always explain in other alternative ways as long as they can understand and in future able to independently relate/apply to other similarly set questions.[/quote]Sorry. Initially I did not read your post properly.

[plum-cake]

buds:

HAPPYH:

[quote=\"buds\"]Bro... isn't that supposed to be 4fives? :?


5 fours; should be 5 (times) of the number four.
Or like SAHM Chew said... 5 groups of four.

DD2 used to always get this mixed up.
Kinda a waste of 2-marks questions i say. :roll:

It should be 5 groups of 4 like SAHM said.

Yes I know.

Some children may not grasp concepts easily for example in this case, not all children can relate to the term \"groups\" easily. We can always explain in other alternative ways as long as they can understand and in future able to independently relate/apply to other similarly set questions.[/quote]mine is one of them, and she is still confusing with more /less too.
but she can do those challenging ones. most of the time she makes mistakes in those Qs which I think easy....

[buds]

Same here plum-cake! :slapshead:


Can score full marks for problem sums and all other higher order / challenging type questions but the carelessness from easy peasy questions, either from complacency when skimming thru easier questions (take for granted/over-confident/not internalizing properly) of what's \"really being asked for in the questions\" or from transference errors in her workings for eg. 427 + 274 = can be reflected as 247 + 274 =... (especially those sums with repeated numbers in the questions) :pokeeye: or the worst kind of mistake that can ever be made... :nailbite: ... the \"cannot read own working due to illegible handwriting\"... :mad: ie. she reads her 247 as 297. :faint: ... but I try not to give her a hard time though.. cause she somehow can still manage to top her class for Math despite her wee problems . I lay off the :rant: n just go back to concepts. I asked her your 5fours question yesterday just to be err sure (testing nia la) and before I gave the choice answers from the given, she oredi gave me the right answer. Phew! But she gave me the look.. :skeptical: Why u asking me this? Testing me issit, mom? :evil: I got that oredi lar.. dun worry.



For her now is the MD. Thankfully, her teacher is anal n super onz when comes to MD so she sees the need to buck up. I can relate as to how MD helps pictorially but I still dun like it. :politebleah:

[plum-cake]

buds:

Same here plum-cake! :slapshead:


Can score full marks for problem sums and all other higher order / challenging type questions but the carelessness from easy peasy questions, either from complacency when skimming thru easier questions (take for granted/over-confident/not internalizing properly) of what's \"really being asked for in the questions\" or from transference errors in her workings for eg. 427 + 274 = can be reflected as 247 + 274 =... (especially those sums with repeated numbers in the questions) :pokeeye: or the worst kind of mistake that can ever be made... :nailbite: ... the \"cannot read own working due to illegible handwriting\"... :mad: ie. she reads her 247 as 297. :faint: ... but I try not to give her a hard time though.. cause she somehow can still manage to top her class for Math despite her wee problems . I lay off the :rant: n just go back to concepts. I asked her your 5fours question yesterday just to be err sure (testing nia la) and before I gave the choice answers from the given, she oredi gave me the right answer. Phew! But she gave me the look.. :skeptical: Why u asking me this? Testing me issit, mom? :evil: I got that oredi lar.. dun worry.



For her now is the MD. Thankfully, her teacher is anal n super onz when comes to MD so she sees the need to buck up. I can relate as to how MD helps pictorially but I still dun like it. :politebleah:

wow, so I am not the only one facing these kinda probs...
Thanks buds for sharing.

[optimistforum]

Help!


I am using EPH P3 Challenging Maths (Sundya Sandhar) for my P3 son. Here, in England, he is in top set for maths but struggles on maths problems. He never reads the whole problems, never breaks down the steps nor lists the key info. He therefore does not complete the problem, step-by-step - and is therefore unsuccessful.

How about if I take him through the Section A questions, teach him the foundations and get him to apply the concepts in the Section B and C questions.

[HAPPYH]

buds:

Same here plum-cake! :slapshead:


Can score full marks for problem sums and all other higher order / challenging type questions but the carelessness from easy peasy questions, either from complacency when skimming thru easier questions (take for granted/over-confident/not internalizing properly) of what's \"really being asked for in the questions\" or from transference errors in her workings for eg. 427 + 274 = can be reflected as 247 + 274 =... (especially those sums with repeated numbers in the questions) :pokeeye: or the worst kind of mistake that can ever be made... :nailbite: ... the \"cannot read own working due to illegible handwriting\"... :mad: ie. she reads her 247 as 297. :faint: ...

Same here. Esp. those in blue. I am still nagging on it. Sigh.

:offtopic: Recently we found out that she had myopia (-2.5 right eye and +0.5 left eye). Hopefully with the spectacles, she can do better(?). Spectacles - another worry as she is going to wear the spectacles for the first time. Another big sigh.